Orthodox considering Conversion to Traditional Catholicism

[Isa_Almisry]

Ok, permit me to chime in for just a sec.

One Big question which I don’t expect you to answer here but with your priest is: Where you re-baptized? If you were then there is a problem sacramentally speaking and it will require extra steps.

A lot of people have had trouble with the Ordinary Form of the Mass but this is not due to the Form itself but to a vagueness as to how it is to be properly celebrated. Expectations from the liberal and the conservative sides are not really meet. This is not the fault of the Mass itself but of our leaders who have failed to teach us what we are properly to expect.

I admire your spirit to want to do things the old way, for there is nothing wrong with it, but we should also remember that the Bishop not us is the administrator of how liturgies will be celebrated in his diocese.

We should have dialogue with the Bishop and not try to force his hand. If we have a Bishop who cares for us and listens to us he will hopefully find a way to give us liturgies that will lead us to increase in holiness and is pleasing to God. This can be done with the Ordinary Form, the Extra Ordinary Form or the Eastern form. I really wish and pray that more of our Bishops were open to having Eastern parishes in their diocese. Many protestants who will just not convert to the “Roman” Catholic Church just might to an Eastern Catholic Church.

My suggestion to you is to embrace and love your Eastern heiratage. You are perfectly free to commune with the Latin Rite, after confession and reconciliation of course, and I hope you will be a voice within our Church for reverant liturgies and sincere believers.

If you had said that you were born Orthodox, I would actually suggest that you stay in orthodoxy, unless you felt you could not at the behest of your conscience, since you would then be a pro-union force in Orthodoxy. However, as you were born a Catholic, and a member of the legal see of Antioch

“Legal see of Antioch?”
Which one of the three that the Vatican calls “legal” there are you speaking of?

I really must suggest that you come home to the Catholic Church.

Anyway, welcome back, for I am sure you have gone that far by now and remember to love the Lord our God with all you heart, all your soul and all you might.

 

[JayDyer]

I was in both tradism and Orthodoxy for a while. Here’s my lengthy retraction of Orthodoxy:

nicenetruth.com/home/2008/06/my-retraction-o.html

Jay

 

[Sailka]

hi there all.
Im a convert from Catholicism to Orthodoxy whos actually considering return to the Roman Fold- through the Traditionalist movemnt and I was wondering How does an ex-Catholic turned Orthodox be recived beack into communion with the Catholic church???

Ill give u abit of a back ground. I was an Eastern Catholic, bought up from the age of 8 in the Roman Church (as here were no eastern catholics where my family moved to)

However I was never impressed with the New Mass at all, and suffered from discontent about it for quiet afew years…until it came to a head one day when the Archbishop of the Diocess I live in refused me Holy Communion cause i knelt to recive.(which is definatly a Latin thing not an Eastern one…but in Roman Churchs I prefer to do it the Old fasiohed Roman way)

this for me was the finail straw, I picked up and swore I would never go to a Catholic church again as I belived she had turned her back on her own Traditions.

I then spent several months convering to Orthodoxy…and for a while I convinced myself that the Pope is not the head of the Church, and enjoyed the amazing Liturgies of the Eastern Orthodox Faith…howver not logn ago i felt sumthign was amis…I decided to back to drawing board and look objectivly as the Argument for and against The Primacy of the Pope, and ultimatly i came to the conclusion that I belive the Peter was given an authority above the rest and that Authority still lies in his sucessor in Rome, the Pope.

SO now Im intellicualy a Catholic again (though i still will not go to the New Mass unless its Nessary)…and I found myself a Traditional Latin Mass here in Brisbane, however I have not as yet approched the priest and I was wondering, how is a ex-catholic turned Orthodox recieved back into the Church?

That Archbishop who refused you the Eucharist because you knelt was Totally out of line, if that was the reason. You should in Writing report him to the the Next Higher Cardinal, etc. Even years later, if he is still Archbishop, if he still has the same Improper and violation of Canon Law policy.

Not enough people understand that the

‘Novus Ordo’ Mass of Vatican II has in fact Much older forms of Eariest Mass than the Tridentine (1500’s) or Gregorian (500’s) Mass: Return of the “Sign of Peace” begun by the Apostles as the Eastern Kiss of Peace; a couple of Prayers said by the Priest abreviated ones said in the First 2 Centuries, etc. I never liked the Communion in Hand, but that must have been done in First Centuries. I always receive on Tongue, which is the Proper option of receiving. I also like the congregation participation in the maybe misnamed ‘Novus Ordo’

All requirements for Mass and Communion in either the ancient Eastern Rite, or Tridentine, or shortest: Novus Ordo, and proper reception of the Eucharist need be met, which is easy. The Roman Catholic Church fully respects all proper observances of Eastern or Roman Rite. Each is Ancient, and Apostolic, and ‘counts’. Following each rite properly is what counts, not taking advantage of either for own benfit.

My understanding is you are not ‘ex-Catholic’. Each rite is Correct, official, beautiful, and recognized fully.
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But is not true for Orthodox, which is close but not yet in Union with the Vatican. You best contact a Priest to change between the Rites. Orthodox Liturgies we can Attend, receive blessing, but not the Communion, yet.
Vivat Jesus. :byzsoc: . Tony

 

[Sailka]

Freshman88,

And you don’t believe that those who suffer with a poor liturgy, who attend to pray for those there to improve are worth it?

IOW, is it about the personal gratification of the individual attending, or is it about the person who sits and sees its rotten, and stands by to be there to pray feverently for it to be…

Or is it better to just run and bail?

Am concerned you use the words ‘poor liturgy’. None is Permitted! Zero Tolerance regarding the Requirements. Any Violation of requirememts must be reported to the local Bishop for correction. You may be confusing the types of music, etc. Those are Not Official Liturgy, not official part of the Mass. Using Glass, etc for the Eucharist is Violation ofd Canon Law, and must be reported to the Bishop.
And Mass is not a ‘service’. It is The Mass, Given to us by our Lord at the Last Supper, with the Awesome Eucharist. All are heavily documented by Canon Law requirements.
Vivat Jesus
Tony

 

[notsmart]

Am concerned you use the words ‘poor liturgy’. None is Permitted! Zero Tolerance regarding the Requirements. Any Violation of requirememts must be reported to the local Bishop for correction. You may be confusing the types of music, etc. Those are Not Official Liturgy, not official part of the Mass. Using Glass, etc for the Eucharist is Violation ofd Canon Law, and must be reported to the Bishop.
And Mass is not a ‘service’. It is The Mass, Given to us by our Lord at the Last Supper, with the Awesome Eucharist. All are heavily documented by Canon Law requirements.
Vivat Jesus
Tony

I never used the word service (as if its jiffy lube )

You have to forgive me, but I have seen from what I can gather now, very POOR Holy Masses done, and it’s not limited to the music either.

 

[Sailka]

I never used the word service (as if its jiffy lube )

You have to forgive me, but I have seen from what I can gather now, very POOR Holy Masses done, and it’s not limited to the music either.

Have heard a few stories of “illegal” Canonically Masses in many parts of country by our Parishionerrs going to a local Church in other parts of country. Seems to be a product of Poor, confused Catechesis Post Vatican II, widelly known.
I just threw inthe innapropriat term Mass as ‘service’, denied as such by our Pastor.
Vivat Jesus
Tony.

 

[aussie_melkite]

thank you all for your responces. I havent made contact with the Trad priest yet, but I intend to.

some people on this thread have asked if id eva go back the New Mass…the answer is not here in brisbane…the Abuses in the Liturgy come from top

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frankly the Old Mass is the only way to prebent myself from being forced to leave again

 

[notsmart]

I don’t know what else to say than to tell you I am praying for you OP.