Orthodox Jews' position on state of Israel??

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I know some orthodox Jews don’t believe in the re-establishment of a physical Jewish state. Israel to be exact.

I think they consider it a form of blasphemy. I’m guessing they believe in a spirtual re-establishment of the Jewish people as opposed to a physical one. Despite its religious attributes, Israel is growing a secular state. Not all that different from the US.

Can someone explain the isses here and correct my summary if it is wrong.
 
The Emergence of Jewish Dogma
Medieval authorities responded to outside pressures and formulated Jewish principles of faith.
myjewishlearning.com/ideas_belief/About_Jewish_Thought/AboutI_B_Dogma_TO/AboutIB_MedDog_Kellner/AboutIB_DogCauses_Kellner.htm#

Dogma in Medieval Jewish Thought (Paperback)
amazon.com/Medieval-Jewish-Thought-Menachem-Kellner/dp/1904113214

Professors Jacob Katz and Moshe Samet define orthodoxy as a phenomenon of reaction. They argue that orthodoxy is not a direct continuation of Judaism as it was before the age of enlightenment. Part of orthodoxy’s new character is the fact it struggles against those who choose modernity over tradition. This reaction led leaders of Orthodox Judaism to decrees such as the need to avoid eating a secular Jew’s cooking, not counting him in a Minyan (no chance of counting a woman in any case…), and not allowing a secular Jew to marry an orthodox one

Conservative Judaism is that it is traditional Judaism with open borders. When Solomon Schechter, one of founders and leaders of Conservative Judaism in the States, was trying to define his task he spoke of “Judaism of the whole Jewish peoplehood”, thus restricting the need for a specific movement, since he saw his potential audience as “everyone”.

This concept of Conservative Judaism as tradition with open borders This concept means that we must not turn people away from our movement and synagogues, nor discriminate among them, on basis of gender, sexual preference, or level of observance. I am aware that my last sentence might infuriate some readers, among them Conservative Jews.Where does one draw the lines?
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Here in Israel, it could be argued that the irrelevance of denominations is even clearer. Conservative and Reform Judaism has never been very strong here, and often it is regarded as an import unlikely to reach anything more than a niche market. I remember my surprise as a High School teacher in the non-Orthodox sector in Haifa some twenty years ago, when I was asked to teach about Streams in Judaism. For many of my colleagues and students, there were no such thing as streams in Judaism at all – only the desert and the deep blue sea. There has often been a kind of binary system at play in Israel according to which you were either One (Orthodox) or Zero (Secular). If you tried to suggest a third option, you were often met by the three great 'i’s - incredulity, impatience, and indifference.

Who needs adjectives, particularly in Israel? A journalist in Yediot Aharonot recently launched a stinging attack on what she perceives as a kind of phony spirituality being offered by Reform in Israel, and in favor of the good old-fashioned binary system of Jewish identity. Those Reform Jews trying to have their Jewish cakes and eat them too deserve to have all baked items removed from their reach. How dare they claim to be serious about Judaism if they don’t profess Orthodox beliefs?
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Why don’t haredim learn English or other modern languages?
A ban originated in 18th-century Eastern Europe in reaction to Moses Mendelssohn, 1729-1786, a Berlin Jewish philosopher to whose ideas the renaissance of European Jews, known as the Haskala (Jewish enlightenment) movement, is indebted. Mendelssohn translated the Hebrew Bible into German, and encouraged Jews to learn both religious and worldly subjects.

Obscurantist rabbis forbade learning modern European languages in the hope of preventing the spread of modern, secular ideas. During the final decades of Ottoman rule, Rabbi Yeshua Leib Diskin renewed that herem (halachic prohibition) on learning foreign languages apart from Hebrew and Aramaic - the languages of the Bible and Talmud. Most Ashkenazi rabbis of the old Yishuv (Jewish community in Palestine) endorsed that ban.
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I know some orthodox Jews don’t believe in the re-establishment of a physical Jewish state. Israel to be exact.

I think they consider it a form of blasphemy. I’m guessing they believe in a spirtual re-establishment of the Jewish people as opposed to a physical one. Despite its religious attributes, Israel is growing a secular state. Not all that different from the US.

Can someone explain the isses here and correct my summary if it is wrong.
The great majority of Jews, be they orthodox, conservative, reform or reconstructionist, support the state of Israel. Early on in its history, many orthodox Jews did not. That changed.
 
The great majority of Jews, be they orthodox, conservative, reform or reconstructionist, support the state of Israel. Early on in its history, many orthodox Jews did not. That changed.
why did it change?
 
Probably because of the holocaust.
If **If you don’t mind, can you please explain why Torah forbids creation State of Israel as explained by VAYOEL MOSHE in his books…?
and why so many Orthodox Torah believing Jews are overwhelmingly against state of Israel from Torah teachings point of few…?

Thanks**
 
If **If you don’t mind, can you please explain why Torah forbids creation State of Israel as explained by VAYOEL MOSHE in his books…?
and why so many Orthodox Torah believing Jews are overwhelmingly against state of Israel from Torah teachings point of few…?

Thanks**
When the Zionist movement was founded by T. Herzl (1890’s), most of organized Jewry were against it. Reform Jews were afraid that insisting that Jews should live in Israel would call into question Jewish loyalities to the countries where they were currently living.

Orthodox leaders were against it for the most part because it was a secular movement. They argued that God would restore the Jews ot Israel when he was ready.

The Nazi’s and the holocaust changed their opinions rather quickly, and all committed Jews quickly became united in forming the State of Israel.

Essentailly today there is a small group of ultra orthodox who name themselves Neturei Karta, who oppose Zionism. They are the people you’ll see supporting the president of Iran. To look at this group as an example of how to be Jewish and oppose Zionism is very misleading. Thkey are a tinygroup and, as Rabbi Telushkin says, “are as unrepresentative of Jewish views as the snake-handling sects of West Virgina (“let’s pass around poisonous snakes during services”) are of Christanity”.

And even this group believes that in the right of the Jews to the land of Israel. They just trust that God will take care of it someday.

The Torah does not forbid the creation of the state of Israel.

Voyel Moshe is not the writer of the book. THat is the title of the book, written by the former head of the Satmar movement, who are admittedly more indifferent about Israel than the rest of Jewry. He was against all forms of “political zionism”, because it included anit-religious leaders, in his view. He relied on a passage from Song of Songs to support his view, which essentially said not to arouse God’s love until God is ready.
 
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