Orthodox please explain your churches position on ecuminisim

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How exactly are all individual churches kept in Orthodoxy?
By the grace of God. 🙂
My former church was also governed by a group of I think 12 men, but they reside in one place New York which is where all direction comes from.
If I understand correctly you also have not one man but a group of bishops, however they are all in different parts of the world and only meet together if they have to, dosent that leave many modern day issues unresolved?
Since doctrine is unchanging they need only refer back to what has always been taught. What modern day issues are you talking about?
The way my former church was kept in order was by a traveling representative from there governing body who would oversee activity in a group of mabey 7 churches, he had over him a traveling representative that had oversight of mabey 16 or more churches…every problem or issue is reported to there governing body in New York where they can swiftly make decisions on an issue.
The Churches have relations and are in communication with each other, however since doctrine does not change decisions regarding what we believe are never needed. Individual hierarchs (bishops) can clarify as needed.
I am used to TOTAL unity, so I am very interested in how oversight is kept over a group of independent churches, dose every major Orthodox bishop have to travel to one spot to discus issues in our ever changing society?
One need only worry about such things when one has doctrine that changes. As it is anyone preaching contrary to the doctrines of the Church will be excommunicated. Even Patriarchs answer to their Holy Synods.
 
By the grace of God. 🙂

Since doctrine is unchanging they need only refer back to what has always been taught. What modern day issues are you talking about?

The Churches have relations and are in communication with each other, however since doctrine does not change decisions regarding what we believe are never needed. Individual hierarchs (bishops) can clarify as needed.

One need only worry about such things when one has doctrine that changes. As it is anyone preaching contrary to the doctrines of the Church will be excommunicated. Even Patriarchs answer to their Holy Synods.
Issues such as inter faith relations…ecuminism…protestant style services…what music is proper for Sunday service. AND LIBERALISM…abortion…gays… stem cell research…

And polotics for example where as many people in the U.S.A. openly against Obama the way the Roman Catholic Church was?
 
Issues such as inter faith relations…ecuminism…protestant style services…what music is proper for Sunday service. AND LIBERALISM…abortion…gays… stem cell research…

And polotics for example where as many people in the U.S.A. openly against Obama the way the Roman Catholic Church was?
While all Churches are free to engage in ecumenical dialogue, generally speaking any non-Orthodox church which wants to become Orthodox will do so by joining an existing Orthodox juristiction. The notable exception to this would be Rome, which for historic reasons would enter communion as an Autocephalus Church on its own rights.

What is considered acceptable in liturgy falls under the Patriarch in conjunction with his Bishops, and in particular the Holy Synod. When St. Tikhon wanted to adopt a special liturgy for former Anglicans in North America, he went to the Metropolitan in Moscow. While most Orthodox Churches use the same liturgy, it is not a necessity. As long as the liturgy follows Orthodox styles of worship (so no Evangelican services) there is no need to be identical. Music is the same.
As for those other issues, they are in no way modern, so we teach what we always have. Change for the sake of change is foolhardy, homosexuality is sin regardless of the circumstances, although individuals who struggle with the sin are accepted among us (though they still need to confess if they act on such impulses), etc.
The Orthodox Church does not, to my knowledge openly endorse politicians, although I am sure there were members on both sides in the election.
 
Also note that for major issues we can call a council to decide on something. In fact there is supposed to be a council coming up in the next few years which will deal with a variety of issues we do face.
 
So are all religions ok or not?
And if they are not ok, what is the purpose in working with them…which gives the impresion that Eastern Orthodox is just one of many equal religions?
Since I am not an Orthodox Christian (although I sympathize with many of their views and beliefs), I will not answer this question from the Orthodox perspective. However, I do want to clarify that the Roman Catholic Church does not believe that “all religions [are] ok” as implied by the post. The Catholic Church does believe in dialogue with other religions and even non-believers.
In defending the ability of human reason to know God, the Church is expressing her confidence in the possibility of speaking about him to all men and with all men, and therefore of dialogue with other religions, with philosophy and science, as well as with unbelievers and atheists (emphasis added). (CCC 39)
The Catholic Church acknowledges the search for God in other religions.
The Catholic Church recognizes in other religions that search, among shadows and images, for the God who is unknown yet near since he gives life and breath and all things and wants all men to be saved. Thus, the Church considers all goodness and truth found in these religions as “a preparation for the Gospel and given by him who enlightens all men that they may at length have life” (emphasis added). (CCC 843)
While the Catholic Church recognizes that “[a]ll religions bear witness to men’s essential search for God” (CCC 2566), it also states that it cannot accept revelation that goes against that which was revealed through Christ.
Christian faith cannot accept “revelations” that claim to surpass or correct the Revelation of which Christ is the fulfilment, as is the case in certain nonChristian religions and also in certain recent sects which base themselves on such “revelations”. (CCC 67)
The Catholic Church also recognizes that there are “righteous people in all religions” (CCC 2569), but "considers all goodness and truth found in these religions as “a preparation for the Gospel and given by him who enlightens all men that they may at length have life” (CCC 843).

It also states that while it is possible for those who “do not know the Gospel of Christ” to be saved, those who knowingly reject God and his Church cannot be saved.
Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation. (CCC 847)
Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it. (CCC 846)
Tolerance towards other religions is not the same as accepting that one religion is as good as another and that they are all acceptable paths to salvation, which the Catholic Church condemns as the heresy of Indifferentism.

The Catholic Church is also very clear on ecumenism:
The Second Vatican Council’s Decree on Ecumenism explains: “For it is through Christ’s Catholic Church alone, which is the universal help toward salvation, that the fullness of the means of salvation can be obtained. It was to the apostolic college alone, of which Peter is the head, that we believe that our Lord entrusted all the blessings of the New Covenant, in order to establish on earth the one Body of Christ into which all those should be fully incorporated who belong in any way to the People of God.”
So if the Catholic Church rejects this false notion of ecumenism in which “all religions [are] ok”, then why would we criticize the Eastern Orthodox Church for rejecting what it also considers the “heresy” of false ecumenism?
 
Since I am not an Orthodox Christian (although I sympathize with many of their views and beliefs), I will not answer this question from the Orthodox perspective. However, I do want to clarify that the Roman Catholic Church does not believe that “all religions [are] ok” as implied by the post. The Catholic Church does believe in dialogue with other religions and even non-believers.

The Catholic Church acknowledges the search for God in other religions.

While the Catholic Church recognizes that “[a]ll religions bear witness to men’s essential search for God” (CCC 2566), it also states that it cannot accept revelation that goes against that which was revealed through Christ.

The Catholic Church also recognizes that there are “righteous people in all religions” (CCC 2569), but "considers all goodness and truth found in these religions as “a preparation for the Gospel and given by him who enlightens all men that they may at length have life” (CCC 843).

It also states that while it is possible for those who “do not know the Gospel of Christ” to be saved, those who knowingly reject God and his Church cannot be saved.

Tolerance towards other religions is not the same as accepting that one religion is as good as another and that they are all acceptable paths to salvation, which the Catholic Church condemns as the heresy of Indifferentism.

The Catholic Church is also very clear on ecumenism:

So if the Catholic Church rejects this false notion of ecumenism in which “all religions [are] ok”, then why would we criticize the Eastern Orthodox Church for rejecting what it also considers the “heresy” of false ecumenism?
It is from the Latin Church that I began to believe that there was no real difference with the Orthodox other then the Pope, from that idea I began to think that it did not matter if a person wanter to join the Latin,Oriental or Orthodox Church.

Also it was from the Latin Church that I got the idea that all protestants should be viewd as containing mabey 90 percent or 85 percent of Christianity, while The Latin Church has 100 percent. Well that view point leaves no urgency to preach to protestants because it would not matter.

Also RCIA I still remember listening to yhani as a way to get ready for prayer. And sitting in small groups talking about silly topics like " if Christ came to your door, what would you ask him"…What on earth dose that have to do with learning about the Catholic Church??
It was more just siting in circles and discusing our ideas about things. Again as if traditional Catholic beliefs and issues don’t matter, let’s just talk about how Jesus loves everyone.

I could go on and on.

So when I saw a video on youtube of The world council of churches with shamans and wican warlocks and taoists performing religious rituals with Christians I was not completely shocked to see the Pope there…but I was shocked to see that Eastern Orthodox were there
Or if I’m mistaken it must have been eastern Catholics… but the man in the video said patriarch of Jeruselam etc…so I think they were in fact Orthodox bishops meeting with this world group of religions.
 
It is from the Latin Church that I began to believe that there was no real difference with the Orthodox other then the Pope, from that idea I began to think that it did not matter if a person wanter to join the Latin,Oriental or Orthodox Church.
As I study both Roman Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy, my conclusion is that while there are many similarities between the two there are also many significant differences. But even with those differences, I cannot find myself saying that either one is not the true Church of Christ. That is why I pray for unity.
Also it was from the Latin Church that I got the idea that all protestants should be viewd as containing mabey 90 percent or 85 percent of Christianity, while The Latin Church has 100 percent. Well that view point leaves no urgency to preach to protestants because it would not matter.
I used to think, without a doubt, that Catholicism had the fullness of the truth. Now, I must admit, I am not 100 percent sure of that. Sometimes I wonder if Catholicism is missing some of the truth present in Eastern Orthodoxy. I am convinced, however, that Protestantism is not even close to “85 percent” of the truth. They have some truth and Jesus is definitely present in them, but they have unfortunately distorted much of the truth by rejecting the Holy Tradition passed down from the Apostles, which was present since much earlier than the New Testament Canon of Scripture. There are just too many different interpretations of the “truth” within the thousands of Protestant denominations.
Also RCIA I still remember listening to yhani as a way to get ready for prayer. And sitting in small groups talking about silly topics like " if Christ came to your door, what would you ask him"…What on earth dose that have to do with learning about the Catholic Church??
It was more just siting in circles and discusing our ideas about things. Again as if traditional Catholic beliefs and issues don’t matter, let’s just talk about how Jesus loves everyone.
Sadly, your experience does not surprise me. As an RCIA instructor and coordinator, I have seen way too often how Catholic instruction is “watered down” to the point where basic beliefs and practices are not adequately discussed. RCIA should be a process in which the catechumen or candidate is introduced and received into the Church through prayer and formation. It should not only focus on study of basic Catholic doctrine, but it should also be a process of conversion. Unfortunately, not every parish has a solid RCIA program, much less an effective process of formation, evangelization, and conversion.
I could go on and on.
I know and understand where you are coming from.
So when I saw a video on youtube of The world council of churches with shamans and wican warlocks and taoists performing religious rituals with Christians I was not completely shocked to see the Pope there…
Just keep in mind that just because the Pope meets with many religious leaders, it does not mean that he agrees with their practices or beliefs. As a worldwide spiritual leader, the Pope seeks to foster religious cooperation to improve things such as human rights, poverty, unjust wars, moral values, etc. This does not mean that every religion is the same or has the fulness of truth.
but I was shocked to see that Eastern Orthodox were there
Or if I’m mistaken it must have been eastern Catholics… but the man in the video said patriarch of Jeruselam etc…so I think they were in fact Orthodox bishops meeting with this world group of religions.
Orthodox leaders meet in these gatherings for similar reasons. They want to foster cooperation and understanding, but they do not acknowledge that these other religions or beliefs have the truth as have been revealed by Jesus Christ through his Church.

God bless!
 
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So when I saw a video on youtube of The world council of churches with shamans and wican warlocks and taoists performing religious rituals with Christians I was not completely shocked to see the Pope there…but I was shocked to see that Eastern Orthodox were there
Or if I’m mistaken it must have been eastern Catholics… but the man in the video said patriarch of Jeruselam etc…so I think they were in fact Orthodox bishops meeting with this world group of religions.
Is it possible that this was a gathering of world religions at Assisi?

It does not sound like the WCC because that is strictly a Christian association of churches.
 
Is it possible that this was a gathering of world religions at Assisi?

It does not sound like the WCC because that is strictly a Christian association of churches.
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Is it possible that this was a gathering of world religions at Assisi?

It does not sound like the WCC because that is strictly a Christian association of churches.
BINGO!!! The narorator of the video DID say this was at Assisi, I thought it was the area where the WWC was meeting…but mabey it was a different event.

I was raised Jehovahs witness and I don’t know much about Assisi…or the WWC, because Jehovahs witnesses don’t participate in much outside themselves.

Can anyone share some information about assisi, so I can better understand what exactly I was looking at on the video?
 
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We as Christians are to preach Christ crucified and risen to all. That alone means we can not work with other religions and dilute ourselves with their demons and false religion.

We for the Gospel must stay pure whatever the church and times we live in unto death if need be.

If you sell out you are buying into hell.
 
BINGO!!! The narorator of the video DID say this was at Assisi, I thought it was the area where the WWC was meeting…but mabey it was a different event.

I was raised Jehovahs witness and I don’t know much about Assisi…or the WWC, because Jehovahs witnesses don’t participate in much outside themselves.

Can anyone share some information about assisi, so I can better understand what exactly I was looking at on the video?
Others will have to explain it, I am unable to at the moment. I understand that there were actually two gatherings of this type.

Assisi is the birthplace of Saint Francis, an interesting person in his time. Perhaps that is why the place was chosen. I found this Time magazine article from the 1980’s, which would have been about the first gathering.

I did find this page on the Vatican website, it appears to be the statement Pope John Paul made at the second gathering about two months after the disaster of 9/11 .
 
We as Christians are to preach Christ crucified and risen to all. That alone means we can not work with other religions and dilute ourselves with their demons and false religion.

We for the Gospel must stay pure whatever the church and times we live in unto death if need be.

If you sell out you are buying into hell.
So far I know little of what happend at assisi.
However my opinion on interfaith dialog is that a Christian should be respectfull of other cultures and should find if possible something both religions have in common, a desire for world peace for example. Then once all agree that world peace is a common goal, the Christian should then instruct the pagans that Jesus Christ has opened the way for all to achive this goal. If the pagan dose not understand the christian would then use something the pagan dose understand such as sacrifices made to there gods for sins, and how these are no longer needed.

At the gathering at Assisi there must have been countless opportunities to preach Jesus Christ, so that all the pagans could have a chance to learn more if they wished.

However I don’t know if that happend or not… if it did JP2 is a genius.
If it didn’t JP2 is still one of my favorite people, but I don’t see the point of Assisi other then to preach to the ignorant.

I am very interested in what The Eastern Orthodox Church has to say about this?
 
So far I know little of what happend at assisi.
However my opinion on interfaith dialog is that a Christian should be respectfull of other cultures and should find if possible something both religions have in common, a desire for world peace for example. Then once all agree that world peace is a common goal, the Christian should then instruct the pagans that Jesus Christ has opened the way for all to achive this goal. If the pagan dose not understand the christian would then use something the pagan dose understand such as sacrifices made to there gods for sins, and how these are no longer needed.

At the gathering at Assisi there must have been countless opportunities to preach Jesus Christ, so that all the pagans could have a chance to learn more if they wished.

However I don’t know if that happend or not… if it did JP2 is a genius.
If it didn’t JP2 is still one of my favorite people, but I don’t see the point of Assisi other then to preach to the ignorant.

I am very interested in what The Eastern Orthodox Church has to say about this?
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I agree with what was said, we want that million dollar jack pot he mentioned.
It is easy to seperate protestants from the search for the true church, however seperating which bettween the Roman Catholic or Eastern Orthodox seems close to impossible.

Because these are both linked to the Apostles.

You don’t hapen to have any video links that so easily clears this up do you?
 
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