Orthodox Saints

[ralphinal]

I would love to see why he is a saint according to the EO.

I tend to suspect that he is one of those “saints by popular acclaim.”

 

[w_stewart]

I would love to see why he is a saint according to the EO.

I tend to suspect that he is one of those “saints by popular acclaim.”

Basically, that is my intention in bringing up the issue of Constantine’s “sainthood”.

 

[ralphinal]

Basically, that is my intention in bringing up the issue of Constantine’s “sainthood”.

I wonder why none of them have answered.

 

[slavko]

Do you venerate the saints canonized by the Catholic Church after the Schism, e.g. Saint Faustina?

No, we don’t venerate Roman post-schism Saints.

 

[ralphinal]

No, we don’t venerate Roman post-schism Saints.

Why is Constantine considered a saint?

 

[DoxRox]

I wonder why none of them have answered.

Why get into it? We’ll just get into each other’s hagiographies and “suspect saints” and blah, blah, blah. Normally, I think pointless arguments over the internet are relatively harmless…but these are our saints here. Can’t we draw the line at our intercessors in heaven?

As for cross-ecclesiastic veneration, who you venerate privately is who you venerate privately. This happens on both sides. You can find The Prayer of St. Francis in even some prayer books online. I would say that the Orthodox Church doesn’t venerate post-schism saints liturgically, but private devotion is another matter, and we can’t say “they definitely don’t” for sure there, because then we’re presuming to speak for every single Orthodox believer who has ever lived.

 

[ralphinal]

Why get into it? We’ll just get into each other’s hagiographies and “suspect saints” and blah, blah, blah. Normally, I think pointless arguments over the internet are relatively harmless…but these are our saints here. Can’t we draw the line at our intercessors in heaven?

As for cross-ecclesiastic veneration, who you venerate privately is who you venerate privately. This happens on both sides. You can find The Prayer of St. Francis in even some prayer books online. I would say that the Orthodox Church doesn’t venerate post-schism saints liturgically, but private devotion is another matter, and we can’t say “they definitely don’t” for sure there, because then we’re presuming to speak for every single Orthodox believer who has ever lived.

While I understand that, and do not completely disagree, I was just curious as to why Constantine, who was pre-schism, is only seen as a saint by one side and not the other.

I did not know if his sainthood can be compaired to the position of passion bearer: something that exists in the East but not the West.

 

[Formosus]

I do not know how Constantine was declared a Saint but there has still been no convincing evidence that he is not a Saint in the west and as I stated he is venerated in the Catholic Churches among the Eastern churches… Even the Assyrian Church of the East, which lies outside of the bounds of the Empire venerates St. Constantine and his Mother. The West probably doesn’t venerate him liturgically because the Empire in the west collapsed and the germanic christians felt no need to venerate him liturgically at the expense of their new german saints.

 

[Catherine_Grant]

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