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[Will_Pick]

Why do the proestants omitt 7 books from their bible ???

 

[bengal_fan]

because the jerusalem jews omitted the same 7 books. the greek jews accepted those books. the catholic church goes by the septuagint’s acception of the books, and protestants go by the jerusalem jews denial of inspiration and infallibility (although it is useful for teaching and history, etc.). that is why they don’t accept those books. but then you have to ask, why do they accept any new testament books? because the church said so. well, the church also said the apocrypha is inspired…so why do they ultimately deny those books? i believe it’s because they either hint at or out right adhere to catholic doctrines and teachings and the protestants don’t like that. that’s why martin luther wanted the book of james omitted also, but the other reformers wouldn’t go so far to remove an apostles writings.

 

[DianJo]

Because Martin Luther felt that they Church had fallen into serious error which by the way, there were some things that needed to be reformed but Luther cut his nose to spite his face!

So, Martin Luther decided that the “early church” had it right, so he decided to use the Jewish canon instead of the already accepted (in 382 AD) Greek canon that Jesus and the Apostles quoted from in their teaching. Luther wanted to go back to the primitive church - the one without all the bells and whistles before Constantine but in his desire to “reform” the Church, he went way overboard and threw out interpretations of parts of the bible that stood for the previous 1500 years (the interpretation that had been handed down from the Apostles through the Church).

The seven books (the deuterocanon meaning 2nd set) in question were disputed in the early Church until it was finally time for the disputes to be put to rest because of so many heresies floating around then. The Church held a Council in 382 AD at Rome, presided over by Pope Damascus I. The canon of the Christian Church was then promalgated, by the direction of the Holy Spirit in concert with all the Bishops and Pope (Magesterium). That canon is the same today as it was back then, it included the Septuagint (Greek canon) of the Hebrews.

It has always baffled me - why would Christians look to the Jews for their scripture? The Jews didn’t believe Jesus was the Messiah? In Jamnia 90 AD the Jews decided on their canon because they were tired of their scripture being used to further Christianity. They wanted to take out as many references and prophecies of Jesus as the Messiah as possible. They wanted their own scipture for the Jews, not the Christian. So why would a Christian turn to the Jewish canon and leave out truths that Jesus taught while He was on this earth from the Septuagint?

Anyway, that’s the (very) basic reason why. There is a website you can access for more detail. www.envoymagazine.com/backissues/1.2/marapril_story2.html
This is not really the website I wanted to give, but I can’t find the other. This will help, though.

 

[BibleReader]

DianJo:

It has always baffled me - why would Christians look to the Jews for their scripture? The Jews didn’t believe Jesus was the Messiah? In Jamnia 90 AD the Jews decided on their canon because they were tired of their scripture being used to further Christianity. They wanted to take out as many references and prophecies of Jesus as the Messiah as possible. They wanted their own scipture for the Jews, not the Christian. So why would a Christian turn to the Jewish canon and leave out truths that Jesus taught while He was on this earth from the Septuagint?

Interestingly, the Palestinian canon which came out of Jamnia is jammed with typological references to Christ. This is inevitable, because the Old Testament, at the sensus plenior, or “fuller sense” level, is really *about *Jesus and the salvation process.

Another thing that is ironic is this: Our Protestant brothers and sisters say that the books they use are the one’s employed by Jesus in His earthly ministry.

If one carefully checks, it becomes obvious that Jesus massively paraphrased from Wisdom and Sirach, two of the seven excluded books.

 

[DianJo]

BibleReader:

Interestingly, the Palestinian canon which came out of Jamnia is jammed with typological references to Christ. This is inevitable, because the Old Testament, at the sensus plenior, or “fuller sense” level, is really *about *Jesus and the salvation process.

Another thing that is ironic is this: Our Protestant brothers and sisters say that the books they use are the one’s employed by Jesus in His earthly ministry.

If one carefully checks, it becomes obvious that Jesus massively paraphrased from Wisdom and Sirach, two of the seven excluded books.

Yes, agreed - there was really no way to take references of Jesus out of their scripture - since we understand that scriptrue, inspired by God - was teaching and preparing us for Jesus. But it’s kinda hard to give a thumbnail sketch about all this. Thanks for the addition.

 

[DianJo]

I found the other reference I was looking for:

users.rcn.com/lanat/biblehistory.htm

Hope this helps.

 

[DeFide]

Will Pick:

Why do the proestants omit 7 books from their bible ???

geocities.com/thecatholicconvert/deuterocanonicals.html

 

[BibleReader]

DianJo:

Yes, agreed - there was really no way to take references of Jesus out of their scripture - since we understand that scriptrue, inspired by God - was teaching and preparing us for Jesus. But it’s kinda hard to give a thumbnail sketch about all this. Thanks for the addition.

I give a “thumbnail sketch” every day in this website. Example:

(1) The Man Type in Scripture symbolizes “God,” “representative of God,” or “empowered by God.” We can see an example of the first interp in Genesis 18, when God visits Abraham in the form of “three MEN.” We can see an example of the second interp, when we note that angels are always men in Scripture – see Genesis 32:23 et seq., where the angel fighting with Jacob is called “some man.” We can see an example of the third when even the female judge Deborah has her work “masculinized” when she has her general Barak do the fighting.

Well, the epitome of the Man Type is the male sex organ. Let us assume that the male sex organ symbolizes “God” (no bawdy humor, please). Note that therefore, in Genesis 17, when God commands that circumcision occur, when the penis is cut and blooding and stripped of the foreskin, we have a picture of a “God” figure being stripped of its “clothing” and bloodied!

Where do we see that happening to Jesus? When Jesus is stripped, tortured and crucified.

In other words, when God had the ancient Hebrews begin the circumcision ritual, He was having the men wear a typological word picture of the God-figure Jesus Who would be stripped and bloodied!

 

[BibleReader]

DianJo:

Yes, agreed - there was really no way to take references of Jesus out of their scripture - since we understand that scriptrue, inspired by God - was teaching and preparing us for Jesus. But it’s kinda hard to give a thumbnail sketch about all this. Thanks for the addition.

I give a “thumbnail sketch” every day in this website. Example:

(1) The Man Type in Scripture symbolizes “God,” “representative of God,” or “empowered by God.” We can see an example of the first interp in Genesis 18, when God visits Abraham in the form of “three MEN.” We can see an example of the second interp, when we note that angels are always men in Scripture – see Genesis 32:23 et seq., where the angel fighting with Jacob is called “some man.” We can see an example of the third when even the female judge Deborah has her work “masculinized” when she has her general Barak do the fighting.

Well, the epitome of the Man Type is the male sex organ. Let us assume that the male sex organ symbolizes “God” (no bawdy humor, please). Note that therefore, in Genesis 17, when God commands that circumcision occur, when the penis is cut and blooding and stripped of the foreskin, we have a picture of a “God” figure being stripped of its “clothing” and bloodied!

Where do we see that happening to Jesus? When Jesus is stripped, tortured and crucified.

In other words, when God had the ancient Hebrews begin the circumcision ritual, He was having the men wear a typological word picture of the God-figure Jesus Who would be stripped and bloodied!

 

[DianJo]

WWWOOOOWWW!!! That’s a little out there! I’ve never heard this before! Where did you get this?

I certainly don’t mean any disrespect at all, I’m usually up for a good typology and furthering my understanding of God’s revelation to us is always fascinating to me but I have to say, you got me on that one!