OT mention of original sin?

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Some say that the concept of original sin is not in the OT. I was reading Ecclesiasticus (I think that’s Sirach in most translations) and I came across this passage that seems to say we are held accountable for Adam’s sin. Am I reading this right? Chapter 35(my bolding):
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The prayer of him that humbleth himself, shall pierce the clouds: and till it come nigh he will not be comforted: and he will not depart till the most High behold. 22 And the Lord will not be slack, but will judge for the just, and will do judgment: and the Almighty will not have patience with them, that he may crush their back: 23 And he will repay vengeance to the Gentiles, till he have taken away the multitude of the proud, and broken the sceptres of the unjust, 24 Till he have rendered to men according to their deeds: and according to the works of Adam, and according to his presumption, 25 Till he have judged the cause of his people, and he shall delight the just with his mercy. *
 
Psa 51:5 Indeed, I was guilty when I was born; I was sinful when my mother conceived me.

or in more traditional language

Psa 51:5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.
 
Ps. 51:5 in the version quoted sounds to me like a reference to sins of the parent. However the NIV renders it “Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me.” That sounds more like original sin to me.

You can usually find a version of the Bible that provides the sense you are looking for!
 
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Ps. 51:5 in the version quoted sounds to me like a reference to sins of the parent. However the NIV renders it “Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me.” That sounds more like original sin to me.

You can usually find a version of the Bible that provides the sense you are looking for!
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The first version I quoted is the Holman Christian Standard Bible, the second is KJV. I wanted to provide 2 references. I’m not sure why you say it sounds like sins of the parents though it says, “I was guilty when I was born,” not anything about parents iniquity or anything.

If you’re referring to, “In sin doth my mother conceive me,” I can see why you say what you do, but it’s just the way English sounded in 1611. It means the same thing as “I was sinful when my mother conceived me.”
 
Gn 2:16-17 - the day you eat of that tree, you shall die
Gn 3:11-19 - God’s punishment for eating of the tree
 
to me, the whole question is how the OT communicates things, at times.

In Genesis in particular, we see ideas laid out in dramatic fashion.

I project original sin on the fact that we, in effect, got tossed out of the garden along with A&E. We certainly inherited the guilt of the act in Ge.
 
Perhaps it will help to think of what original sin is. It doesn’t mean we have personal guilt for sin at all (only that our frist parents had such guilt), but rather it speaks of the loss of the original state of mankind. The glossary in the back of “Catechism of the Catholic Church” explains that by the sin of Adam and Eve “they lost the grace of original holiness, and became subject to the law of death; sin became univerally present in the world. Besides the personal sin of Adam and Eve, original sin describes the fallen state of human nature which affects every person born into the world.”
 
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