Our Father Without the Embolism - OK?

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In the diocese where I currently reside (in Europe) every single mass I’ve been to has had the priest omit the Embolism (“Deliver us, Lord, we pray, from every evil…”). In fact, they go immediately into the doxology (“For the Kingdom…”) without pause.

I’ve done a fair bit of traveling throughout North and South America and Europe and this is the first time I’ve seen this so systematic. Is there a dispensation allowing for the omission of the Embolism or would this classify as a liturgical abuse?
 
I don’t know but am wondering about the answer to your question…
 
From the General Instruction of the Roman Missal. (GIRM)

Chapter II: The Structure Of The Mass, Its Elements, And Its Parts

The Lord’s Prayer
  1. In the Lord’s Prayer a petition is made for daily bread, which for Christians means principally the Eucharistic Bread, and entreating also purification from sin, so that what is holy may in truth be given to the holy. The Priest pronounces the invitation to the prayer, and all the faithful say the prayer with him; then the Priest alone adds the embolism, which the people conclude by means of the doxology. The embolism, developing the last petition of the Lord’s Prayer itself, asks for deliverance from the power of evil for the whole community of the faithful.
The invitation, the Prayer itself, the embolism, and the doxology by which the people conclude these things are sung or are said aloud.

I see nothing permitting the exclusion of the embolism. Unless there is some European dispensation…the priests should be saying it.
 
I am in the Archdiocese of Luxembourg. I have seen this in the local English mass (said by an English priest from Yorkshire), many French masses, and in the local Luxembourgish masses, all conducted within the parishes of the archdiocese. (note: I have not been to a mass that the archbishop has said, but I would be curious how he does it.) All of them have done it this way. But as soon as I cross the border into Germany or France, they do it fully and correctly, including the Embolism and the Doxology. It’s so bizarre.

I would be interested in any further thoughts on this.
 
The archdiocese has a website at cathol.lu/

A little poking around didn’t turn up anything about norms for the Mass but perhaps you’ll have more success.

It’s possible that there are country-specific norms for the Mass (in the US, for example, there are norms requiring more kneeling at the consecration than in the rest of the world). But you’d have to see the Luxembourg version of the GIRM to know.

Are you friendly enough with any priests to be able to ask casually?
 
Most of the priests I’ve tried to talk to (about a variety of things) didn’t speak English, and I don’t speak French. The English priest, no. I’ll nose around a little, I just wasn’t sure if there was an overarching guideline that would prohibit this, you know, something like it being in a list of unalterable rules.

In fact, I’ve thought about it: “how does one get their hands on a Luxembourgish GIRM?” Sort of esoteric, but really the only way to answer the question.

Thanks for your feedback.
 
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