Outrage over 'babies in incinerator' shock

[MikeWM]

This was the front page of my local paper yesterday. I’ve got to admit it amazed me somewhat:

cambridge-news.co.uk/news/region_wide/2006/10/24/e89fac8e-78bb-4e7e-8d77-d13980fe5f9d.lpf

News that Addenbrooke’s Hospital disposes of aborted foetuses in the same incinerator used to burn hospital rubbish has sparked outrage.

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One Cambridge woman, appalled after discovering her terminated foetus had been incinerated in the same furnace as rubbish, told the News: "I am furious and very hurt.

Imagine my horror when I discovered that my baby was incinerated in the same furnace as the hospital rubbish.

“Why should people like me and my partner suffer more because of this dreadful policy?”

If you really thought of it as your baby, perhaps you shouldn’t have gone and had it aborted? Just a thought.

I really can’t believe the bare-faced cheek of someone who has had an abortion being angry with the hospital over this.

Mike

 

[Marauder]

I think it’s funny that people expected anything more. If people (pro-choice advocates) view the baby as just a blob of tissue why should they treat it any different then medical waste. What do people think happens with the aborted baby after the abortion? They don’t think.

This is just another idication of how bad the culture of death has gotten.

 

[wabrams]

If you really thought of it as your baby, perhaps you shouldn’t have gone and had it aborted? Just a thought.

I really can’t believe the bare-faced cheek of someone who has had an abortion being angry with the hospital over this.

Mike

The beauty of “pro-choice,” huh?

 

[MikeWM]

Actually, now I’ve thought about it a bit, I think there are positive things to come out of the story.

The fact that everyone seems to agree that the aborted foetuses shouldn’t be put into the incinerator - even the woman who seemingly didn’t mind killing it in the first place - seems to show that deep down almost everyone knows that this is ‘wrong’ to begin with.

The case against abortion is very strong, and not just based on Catholic doctrine, important though that is to us. I think we can turn people away from thinking abortion is acceptable, if we’re careful about how we make the argument.

Mike

 

[MikeWM]

The beauty of “pro-choice,” huh?

Indeed, it is horrible.

The issue at stake is how to fight the downright nastiness of abortion. I don’t believe the law is the best way - the moral law is stronger and better. Indeed, I think the fact that people obviously feel that there is something pretty wrong going on here is rather more helpful to our cause than the threat of the police at your door.

Mike

 

[wabrams]

Indeed, it is horrible.

The issue at stake is how to fight the downright nastiness of abortion. I don’t believe the law is the best way - the moral law is stronger and better. Indeed, I think the fact that people obviously feel that there is something pretty wrong going on here is rather more helpful to our cause than the threat of the police at your door.

Mike

That makes about as much sense as pissin’ into the wind. I mean, why legislate morals? Lets have all out legalized prostitution, murder, stealing, etc. It’ll be fun.

 

[MikeWM]

That makes about as much sense as pissin’ into the wind. I mean, why legislate morals? Lets have all out legalized prostitution, murder, stealing, etc. It’ll be fun.

Some immoral things clearly have to be legislated against (and others, such as contraception, quite clearly don’t), and I agree that the legal aspect of abortion has to be dealt with. Eventually. But while it is still seen by such a large proportion of the population as morally acceptable, simply passing a law isn’t going to be the most effective way of cutting it down, any more than people have stopped taking drugs because they are illegal. In the short to medium term, we should be working on hearts and minds, not on the tortuous political process to make abortion illegal.

Mike

 

[wabrams]

Some immoral things clearly have to be legislated against (and others, such as contraception, quite clearly don’t), and I agree that the legal aspect of abortion has to be dealt with. Eventually. But while it is still seen by such a large proportion of the population as morally acceptable, simply passing a law isn’t going to be the most effective way of cutting it down, any more than people have stopped taking drugs because they are illegal. In the short to medium term, we should be working on hearts and minds, not on the tortuous political process to make abortion illegal.

Mike

I have yet to see any figures that support that idea.

 

[WanderAimlessly]

Babies in incinerators brings up images of another era

 

[Caesar]

This was the front page of my local paper yesterday. I’ve got to admit it amazed me somewhat:

cambridge-news.co.uk/news/region_wide/2006/10/24/e89fac8e-78bb-4e7e-8d77-d13980fe5f9d.lpf

If you really thought of it as your baby, perhaps you shouldn’t have gone and had it aborted? Just a thought.

I really can’t believe the bare-faced cheek of someone who has had an abortion being angry with the hospital over this.

Mike

I think that anyone who chooses to have an abortion should be forced to watch the incineration of their own child. They killed the baby, why should they not have to see the job through to the end?

 

[MikeWM]

I have yet to see any figures that support that idea.

Take a look at these.

pollingreport.com/abortion.htm

Those who think abortion should always be illegal, ie. not with the non-sensical rape/incest exceptions, are in a small minority. About 20%, it seems. That’s 80% of people who think legal abortions are sometimes acceptable. That’s a lot of work for us to do.

Mike

 

[LilyM]

Hey, welcome back Caesar!!! Good ta see ya little buddy

 

[deb1]

I don’t understand the woman’s reasoning. In fact, I am flabbergasted that she would be upset.

Why did she get an abortion in the first place, if she viewed the child as more then just a mass of cells? If she understood that the fetus that she was carrying was an actual baby, then she must view herself as a murderess.

Did she believe that the hospital would bury her child? Can someone explain this reasoning?

 

[wabrams]

Take a look at these.

pollingreport.com/abortion.htm

Those who think abortion should always be illegal, ie. not with the non-sensical rape/incest exceptions, are in a small minority. About 20%, it seems. That’s 80% of people who think legal abortions are sometimes acceptable. That’s a lot of work for us to do.

Mike

If the most you can get legislated from the get-go is no abortion unless rape/incest, then I would support that law and then agree with your “hearts and mind” strategy.

BTW, neat little website; I’m adding it to my favorites!

 

[MikeWM]

If the most you can get legislated from the get-go is no abortion unless rape/incest, then I would support that law and then agree with your “hearts and mind” strategy.

It sounds a good idea on the face of it, but any woman who really wanted an abortion would be able to lie and say she was raped. If she still believes it is morally ok to have an abortion, I doubt she’d have any problems with ‘playing the system’ to get one. That’s why I still believe the ‘hearts and minds’ are more important than laws right now. And the advantage of that is that it is something we can all be doing all the time, and have control of, not just once every X years at the polls for a politician who may or may not follow through. It’s a bigger responsibility on us, but we should be willing to do it.

BTW, neat little website; I’m adding it to my favorites!

Thanks I’d not come across this until now either, but it seems rather useful.

Mike

 

[estesbob]

That makes about as much sense as pissin’ into the wind. I mean, why legislate morals? Lets have all out legalized prostitution, murder, stealing, etc. It’ll be fun.

Ah but you see for Mike to acknowledge that Law can stop abortion would mean he would have to quit voting for those who support this abject evil. This way he can claim to oppose abortion BUT avidly support those who make it possible.

As I have said many times the mental mastrubation one must go though to claim to be pro-life while at the same time voting to empower the abortionists is a terrible thing to behold.

 

[wabrams]

Ah but you see for Mike to acknowledge that Law can stop abortion would mean he would have to quit voting for those who support this abject evil. This way he can claim to oppose abortion BUT avidly support those who make it possible.

As I have said many times the mental mastrubation one must go though to claim to be pro-life while at the same time voting to empower the abortionists is a terrible thing to behold.

This is part of the reason I’m letting three posters all pat themselves on the back on a Secular news thread about how laws are ineffective on abortion. Sometimes you can’t argue with lunacy.

 

[MikeWM]

Ah but you see for Mike to acknowledge that Law can stop abortion would mean he would have to quit voting for those who support this abject evil. This way he can claim to oppose abortion BUT avidly support those who make it possible.

Strawmen galore in this paragraph. I wish you’d read what I say rather than what you expect me to say.

Mike

 

[Holly3278]

How disgusting! I wish that abortion clinics and such would shut down but since not all of them are going to do that (and none willfully), I wish they’d give the aborted babies to us so we could give them a proper burial.

 

[Al_Masetti]

A judge in NJ once said that abortions were “legal executions”.

I guess it was his way of protesting abortion … by denying that a fetus is simply undifferentiated tissue mass.