Overcoming the Fear of Death

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I personally believe in some sort of afterlife, but what about people who don’t? What about people who believe Life and consciousness are random phenomenons and nothing really cares whether or not we actually do exist?

I personally believe no one can willingly die as an atheist. How?

What helps me get by is knowing that we’re all going there. You, me, the richest man, the poorest man. The president, your favorite actor/actress, your family. *EVERYONE *is going to go through this. You may be alone when you die but in reality you’re not.

So I’ll cya on the other side brothas!
 
I personally believe in some sort of afterlife, but what about people who don’t? What about people who believe Life and consciousness are random phenomenons and nothing really cares whether or not we actually do exist?

I personally believe no one can willingly die as an atheist. How?
First of all, except for suicides, martyrs and self-sacrificers, I don’t believe that “willingness” has much to do with death. Death is a matter of entropy and inevitability. And while most of us do not want it, the eroding resistance of our human bodies negates our will, at the end, anyhow.

(I purposely left our LORD out of the above three categories. HE created Life AND Death; as such, his death was unlike anybody else’s, although real; as HE had nothing to fear from it.)

Also, most atheists, aiui, expect a headful of darkness upon death. This is not fearful to them; they imagine it as a dreamless sleep without waking.
What helps me get by is knowing that we’re all going there. You, me, the richest man, the poorest man. The president, your favorite actor/actress, your family. *EVERYONE *is going to go through this. You may be alone when you die but in reality you’re not.
We are alone as we subside into unconsciousness, surrounded by people who will continue to live. But we hope that we will not be alone on “the other side.”
So I’ll cya on the other side brothas!
Indeed! Purgatory is NOT just for Catholics anymore!!!

ICXC NIKA.
 
I personally believe in some sort of afterlife, but what about people who don’t? What about people who believe Life and consciousness are random phenomenons and nothing really cares whether or not we actually do exist?

I personally believe no one can willingly die as an atheist. How?

What helps me get by is knowing that we’re all going there. You, me, the richest man, the poorest man. The president, your favorite actor/actress, your family. *EVERYONE *is going to go through this. You may be alone when you die but in reality you’re not.

So I’ll cya on the other side brothas!
I’m not sure what you mean exactly by no one can willingly die as an atheist, but I have an answer to your first question.

I don’t believe in an afterlife, and I personally am not afraid of deathat all. How can non-existance be scary? Now, I am afraid of dying slowly and/or painfully obviously. But the state of death is not scary to me. I welcome it in fact. Life is hard. It kind of sucks. If I’m dead, there will be no more suffering for me.
 
lemmonSeed those who dont believe in the afterlife are very few in reality.But for the few who do actually they are just rebelling against a majority.Their tired I hearing it preached that there is an afterlife.
 
I personally believe in some sort of afterlife, but what about people who don’t? What about people who believe Life and consciousness are random phenomenons and nothing really cares whether or not we actually do exist?
Well, to paraphrase Mark Twain, I was dead for several billion years before I was born, and it didn’t seem to trouble me in the slightest.

From the perspective of someone who doesn’t believe that an afterlife exists, being dead is probably going to be the same as not being born yet. Before I was born, I didn’t find not existing scary at all – in fact, there was no me to find it scary.

People can only imagine things in terms of their own consciousness, so of course you can’t imagine what it will be like. Someone earlier called it a “head full of darkness” – but that gives entirely the wrong idea. It’s not going to be me sitting around for all eternity thinking, “Oh, woe is me! All is blackness!” It’s going to be the absence of me.

As someone else indicated, the concept is similar to a dreamless sleep. If you’ve ever gone to bed and found yourself waking up the next morning – with no memories of the intervening eight hours – you already know what it’s like (or, rather, what it’s not like) to be “gone” for a stretch of time.

Anyway, I can’t know for certain that death will be like that, and I suppose it would be nice to continue on in some form, but not only do I not see any good reason to think that consciousness can survive the death of the body, there’s a lot of good evidence suggesting that consciousness is an emergent property of brain activity, one that will end when the brain activity ends.

You observe, “What helps me get by is knowing that we’re all going there.” While I would obviously quibble with your use of the word “knowing,” I do recognize that belief in an afterlife is a source of comfort for people. Those of us who don’t believe in an afterlife have different sources of comfort – some of us, for example, are glad that we have this brief period of existence in which to experience, and we intend to make the most of it while we can.
 
Catechism of the Catholic Church # 1022 Each man receives his eternal retribution in his immortal soul at the very moment of his death, in a particular judgment that refers his life to Christ: either entrance into the blessedness of heaven-through a purification594 or immediately,595 – or immediate and everlasting damnation.596
 
can’t imagine what it will be like. Someone earlier called it a “head full of darkness” – but that gives entirely the wrong idea. It’s not going to be me sitting around for all eternity thinking, “Oh, woe is me! All is blackness!”…As someone else indicated, the concept is similar to a dreamless sleep.
Actually, both of those expressions came from me; give credit where credit is due:):)🙂

To me, they go together; if death is like that, you’d see the darkness, before your mind, which does the seeing, stopped working altogether. Like Ambrose Bierce’s famous protagonist: “all…darkness and silence!..[he] was dead.”

God Bless and ICXC NIKA.
 
Read the book about the 3-minute excursion of Heaven by a nearly-four-year-old, Heaven is for Real!
 
Actually, both of those expressions came from me; give credit where credit is due:):)🙂
Oh, sorry. When I’m in a hurry, I sometimes don’t bother to glance back up at the thread and see exactly who said what. I stand corrected.
To me, they go together; if death is like that, you’d see the darkness, before your mind, which does the seeing, stopped working altogether.
Well, ok. I just wanted to clarify that it’s not an eternity of staring at a darkened room.
 
I will work my way to the other posts once I feel like I can answer them, if not answered in this reply.
Well, to paraphrase Mark Twain, I was dead for several billion years before I was born, and it didn’t seem to trouble me in the slightest.
Which is valid point, however, you had no recollection of being dead several billions years prior to being born. “You” had no choice whether or not of being born. Doesn’t this account for something?
From the perspective of someone who doesn’t believe that an afterlife exists, being dead is probably going to be the same as not being born yet. Before I was born, I didn’t find not existing scary at all – in fact, there was no me to find it scary.
It is true that we spend the majority of Existence being “dead” yet at some point we are brought from non existence to existence as a self identity. This self identity is capable of declaring inequality of degrees, which I use to look at Existence. Reality is Good, but there can be Better.
People can only imagine things in terms of their own consciousness, so of course you can’t imagine what it will be like. Someone earlier called it a “head full of darkness” – but that gives entirely the wrong idea. It’s not going to be me sitting around for all eternity thinking, “Oh, woe is me! All is blackness!” It’s going to be the absence of me.
I don’t claim heaven to be some sort of civilization, although thinking in those terms does have its benefits for mankind. If such afterlife exists, we will become apart of the unconditional Love which allowed for Existence… whatever that may feel like, I don’t know because I am not capable of such Power, I only understand How the Power allows for Existence.
As someone else indicated, the concept is similar to a dreamless sleep. If you’ve ever gone to bed and found yourself waking up the next morning – with no memories of the intervening eight hours – you already know what it’s like (or, rather, what it’s not like) to be “gone” for a stretch of time.
Yes but the majorities of us do in fact dream, just without remembrance of such dreams. I once agreed with this premise, but as I just said, those no memories are just my inability to remember all dreams in detail. I believe our bodies create a new first person perspective, which lets Us and our brains subconsciously “Know” we still exist. However, due to sleeping, our senses are used minimal, which they are what bind us to actual reality. Since they do not “Experience” our Mind is capable of creating a potential reality, where anything can happen.

Does our body need to be assembled as One in order for this to happen? I think that because all matter creates One body, our “I” will continue, but we just never know it, because we have no way of Experiencing (interacting) to know we do not exist.
Anyway, I can’t know for certain that death will be like that, and I suppose it would be nice to continue on in some form, but not only do I not see any good reason to think that consciousness can survive the death of the body, there’s a lot of good evidence suggesting that consciousness is an emergent property of brain activity, one that will end when the brain activity ends.
And there is our underlying problem! We could spend an entire Lifestyle wondering, never even coming close to the answer.

Here is how I look at it. “I” is formed from the collection of atoms that make up the Human body, but ultimately the human brain. Why can’t this be the same for the Universe? I am not saying the Universe has an “I” which can cognitively think as we do. It is more that the Universe creates its own perspective, which is logic and reason. This very perceptive allows, for example, plants to “know” to grow towards the Sun, or Life “knowing” it can only survive on certain conditions.
Those of us who don’t believe in an afterlife have different sources of comfort – some of us, for example, are glad that we have this brief period of existence in which to experience, and we intend to make the most of it while we can.
Two separate identities come together to form a new unique identity, to the point where we can no longer recognize the original two identities. But why/how do these two identities “know” to reproduce to keep the generation going?

How did Life “Know” it would have to reproduce?

I think it comes from the Universal Reason, which shaped our physical bodies, while also allowing for “I” to be created.
 
Read the book about the 3-minute excursion of Heaven by a nearly-four-year-old, Heaven is for Real!
If this is about the boy who was told by Jesus that His time wasn’t ready yet, and that Heaven is best understood through the words of a Child, then I have actually read this book.

If so, did you notice the claim by the kid that it was Jesus in Heaven, while God was in and beyond Heaven?

That part is really what blew my mind, hence the three threads I have created in this section recently.
 
Which is valid point, however, you had no recollection of being dead several billions years prior to being born. “You” had no choice whether or not of being born. Doesn’t this account for something?
It accounts for the fact that I was born and my brain started to work, producing consciousness. Once my brain stops working, it seems likely that I’ll return to that initial state of non-existence.
It is true that we spend the majority of Existence being “dead” yet at some point we are brought from non existence to existence as a self identity. This self identity is capable of declaring inequality of degrees, which I use to look at Existence. Reality is Good, but there can be Better.
I don’t doubt that there could be better, but that doesn’t mean that there is better.
Yes but the majorities of us do in fact dream, just without remembrance of such dreams.
That’s irrelevant. The point I was making is that all of us have the experience – or non-experience, actually – of what it’s like to not have your conscious mind exist, and it’s not scary in the slightest. You’ll note that it’s not even dark. It’s just…well, it’s nothing. You’re not there to experience it.
Here is how I look at it. “I” is formed from the collection of atoms that make up the Human body, but ultimately the human brain. Why can’t this be the same for the Universe?
Because, as you just indicated, consciousness is a property of brains. It emerges from atoms in a specific configuration. The universe doesn’t have a brain, so we can’t say that the universe has a consciousness.
I am not saying the Universe has an “I” which can cognitively think as we do. It is more that the Universe creates its own perspective, which is logic and reason.
What in the world? Logic and reason aren’t the “perspective of the universe” – they’re tools that we use to navigate existence.
This very perceptive allows, for example, plants to “know” to grow towards the Sun, or Life “knowing” it can only survive on certain conditions.
No. Plants don’t have “knowledge” in the sense that conscious minds do, and they don’t have “plans” or “goals” in the same way that conscious agents do either. Evolution has programmed them to grow toward their source of power (because their ancestors did…those ancestors that didn’t grow toward the source of power died off and didn’t get to pass that tendency along to their descendents).

You’re engaging in a lot of fuzzy thinking there. You’re misattributing the kind of “knowledge” possessed by minds to things that don’t have minds, and you’re extrapolating from that this vague notion of the universe having a “perspective” and “universal reason.” It just doesn’t make sense as an argument.
 
It accounts for the fact that I was born and my brain started to work, producing consciousness. Once my brain stops working, it seems likely that I’ll return to that initial state of non-existence.
Due to mere Existence (randomness or planned), is it inevitable that eventually this particular organ would be created, which would produce consciousness?
I don’t doubt that there could be better, but that doesn’t mean that there is better.
Fair enough.
That’s irrelevant. The point I was making is that all of us have the experience – or non-experience, actually – of what it’s like to not have your conscious mind exist, and it’s not scary in the slightest. You’ll note that it’s not even dark. It’s just…well, it’s nothing. You’re not there to experience it.
Yes but the point I was making is that it is not scary in the slightest because our Mind is entertained in dreams. Lucid dreaming also allows us to be conscious in our dreams.
Because, as you just indicated, consciousness is a property of brains. It emerges from atoms in a specific configuration. The universe doesn’t have a brain, so we can’t say that the universe has a consciousness.
It could unconsciously be aware via “I.”
What in the world? Logic and reason aren’t the “perspective of the universe” – they’re tools that we use to navigate existence.
These things existed prior to Existence.
No. Plants don’t have “knowledge” in the sense that conscious minds do, and they don’t have “plans” or “goals” in the same way that conscious agents do either. Evolution has programmed them to grow toward their source of power (because their ancestors did…those ancestors that didn’t grow toward the source of power died off and didn’t get to pass that tendency along to their descendents).
I never claimed their “knowledge” to be conscious. Evolution is programmed on survival, but survival is based upon “It is better to exist than not to,” which is Reasonable.
You’re engaging in a lot of fuzzy thinking there. You’re misattributing the kind of “knowledge” possessed by minds to things that don’t have minds, and you’re extrapolating from that this vague notion of the universe having a “perspective” and “universal reason.” It just doesn’t make sense as an argument.
I never ever made such claims. I didn’t say a plant weighed its options and figured out that growing towards the Sun would be the best option.

Life is conscious, but consciousness reveals Reason. The more and more Reason a conscious uncovers, the more Knowledge and Wisdom is obtained.
 
I personally believe in some sort of afterlife, but what about people who don’t? What about people who believe Life and consciousness are random phenomenons and nothing really cares whether or not we actually do exist?

I personally believe no one can willingly die as an atheist. How?

What helps me get by is knowing that we’re all going there. You, me, the richest man, the poorest man. The president, your favorite actor/actress, your family. *EVERYONE *is going to go through this. You may be alone when you die but in reality you’re not.

So I’ll cya on the other side brothas!
I don’t know, even if you believe in the afterlife, if there’s a possibility you’re not going to heaven, and instead going to hell, then death could still be a little scary.
 
*If *you are right.
  1. Do you realize you just brought up Pascal’s wager?
  2. Do you realize Pascal’s wager is full of logical fallacies and has been debunked before?
  3. Do you therefore pretend to forget I mentioned 1 & 2 and go on your way, or do you alter your thinking based on reason?
 
Read the book about the 3-minute excursion of Heaven by a nearly-four-year-old, Heaven is for Real!
And I also saw his ridiculous coaching from his parent LIVE on CNN & Fox News. Personal experiences are not very worthy. I suppose you haven’t read the book about the 3-minute excursion of being abducted by aliens?
 
…Not only do I not see any good reason to think that consciousness can survive the death of the body, there’s a lot of good evidence suggesting that consciousness is an emergent property of brain activity, one that will end when the brain activity ends.
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agree agree agree!!!
 
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