Overnight Travel as a Dating Couple

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In other words, while I don’t see any difference whatsoever between sharing a tent and being curled up on the couch watching a movie, she does. We are both equally correct, and need to respect each other’s boundaries and opinions without further question?
I think that you are pretty much on the right track here, in seeing things from the perspective of Catholic moral teaching. You are right that a situation that is a temptation for one person may not be a temptation for another person.

But I will add this: When I was younger I didn’t think there was a big difference between self-control curled up on the couch watching a movie vs. self-control on an overnight trip. But I found out from experience that there is a difference. Maybe that isn’t true for you, but it was true for me. It may also be true for your girlfriend.

I think the bottom line is this: If your girlfriend thinks that a certain situation will be too much of a temptation for one or both of you, then I believe you should respect her judgment (even if you disagree), and avoid that situation. It would not be gentlemanly to put your girlfriend in a situation that she believes will be a source of temptation (i.e., a “near occasion of sin”).
 
As a woman, here is my perspective: I think it’s best to save the overnight travel for marriage, unless you are going in a group with friends. If you end up getting married, it will make your honeymoon that much more special. Or if you do go on a trip together, it should be with separate sleeping quarters as your girlfriend requests. (For what it’s worth, my husband and I did not travel anywhere overnight together before we were married, with the exception of once attending a mutual friend’s wedding in a different state, and we got separate hotel rooms on that occasion.)
My opinion is that we are adults who are perfectly capable of controlling our actions.
While the issue of temptation is a legitimate one, it’s not just about controlling your actions. Maybe I am super old-fashioned (although I am still only in my 30s), but what happened to the idea of propriety or preserving a little mystery before marriage? She may not want to share a room with a man she is not married to (I wouldn’t, and didn’t), as maybe she doesn’t want you to see her in her pjs or getting ready in the morning, or shower in close quarters with you, etc., etc. That’s how I felt, anyway.
Let’s share a hotel room or tent, sparing the added expense or pack weight. I share hotel rooms and tents with my guy friends all the time. Why is it different just because we are a dating couple?
Can you really not see how different it is from sharing a room or tent with your guy friends? 🙂
 
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You are being obnoxious to her. My husband and I both are outdoor people. 2 man tents are a lie. They are so tight and uncomfortable even for 2 large children or one person and their stuff. If you were planning on a bigger 4 man tent so you are comfortable you are better off each using a one man tent.

Go buy her a backpacking tent. They can be found for around $30 on amazon or Walmart. They weigh next to nothing, are simple to set up and good for one person. Most aren’t waterproof but you can buy hydrophobic spray at any hardware store.

Apologize for being hard headed.
 
Advice from a long-married guy…don’t bother trying to figure out her reasoning, just go with it…
 
Im going to be old fashioned for a moment: perhaps she just wants you to behave like a gentleman, and treat her like a lady?
This has something to do with it as well: having respect for her as a woman. She is not one of your guy friends and does not want to be treated like one.
 
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I share hotel rooms and tents with my guy friends all the time. Why is it different just because we are a dating couple?
Presumably you aren’t sexually attracted to your guy friends and you are to your girlfriend?

It’s playing with fire to think that you’ll be able to control yourselves in the heat of the moment.
Lots of catholics go on about not engaging in sexual behaviour before marriage etc. It might be hard for someone who has different ideas about this stuff to get. But I think even if you aren’t catholic it makes sense to save certain things for marriage. Even sleeping in a room together. It is a lovely feeling to get to marriage and find that it is a novelty to go to bed with your wife and wake up beside her in the morning.

It’s good that you respect your GF’s wishes and morals. Maybe try to understand them a little better as well. Read something about the reasons that Catholics save certain behaviours for marriage.
 
Advice from a long-married guy…don’t bother trying to figure out her reasoning, just go with it…
Going back to the original post(s). It isn’t about you, it is about her and her wishes. If that’s what she prefers and you’re OK with it, then go with it. If you aren’t, that’s a discussion for the two of you.
 
Still, it would make it easier for me if I could understand her perspective better. Can anyone here offer some insight/opinions on the questions above?
I think it’s great that you are trying to understand her perspective. Certainly, as others have pointed out, marriage does involve a bit of going along even without understanding. 😜 Still, it’s good to try to understand what we can.

There are two main reasons that a Catholic might give for wanting separate overnight accommodations in these scenarios: (1) occasion of sin; and (2) scandal.

For some, being alone together in certain situations presents an occasion of sin—a temptation to choose something that is wrong. Different people will have different levels of comfort here. Some are better than others in controlling their impulses. For me, I think it’s best to find the middle ground between “There’s no way an unrelated guy and girl can ever be alone together without succumbing to their passions” and “There’s no way I could ever be influenced by my passions, so why bother taking reasonable precautions.”

It is reasonable and prudent for Catholics and those striving to live out their call to chastity to set boundaries. Now, maybe one person would prefer to err on the side of caution whereas someone else doesn’t find it necessary to be as cautious. I think in general we tend to be more likely to overestimate our capacity for self-restraint rather than underestimate it. Or maybe that’s just me. 🤔 In relationships, I think it best to defer to the one who is more comfortable exercising greater caution.

Second, such overnight situations are potentially a source of scandal. Now, by “scandal” I don’t mean that it will cause little old church ladies to clutch their pearls and simultaneously gasp in astonishment while also wagging their fingers in condemnation. To cause scandal is less about “shocking” people than it is to make it easier for another to sin.

So in these types of situation, scandal can result if, say, your girlfriend has a younger sibling who sees what you two are doing and then assumes that it is okay to spend the night at her boyfriend’s house in any and all circumstances without being concerned about practicing chastity. Or maybe her sister or her boyfriend don’t have the same self-restraint the two of you have. Your action here could “lower the bar” of acceptable behavior for the whole family and make it easier for others to find themselves committing certain sins. That would be a scandal.

Now, there are some Catholics who would argue that—in our current culture where many assume sexual activity is taking place in any dating relationship—staying overnight with your girlfriend will always be a scandal. There’s a case to be made for that position, but I think there is room for other points of view from a Catholic perspective.

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I guess a third point of concern related to the more popular, less theologically technical meaning of the word “scandal” would be concern for the reputation of persons. Staying the night together might lead others to think that something unchaste is going on between you two, even if it isn’t. Now, certainly one might say, “Well, that’s on them for making false assumptions”, and I think that’s true insofar as it goes. However, there might still be real or perceived consequences for you and/or your girlfriend. Maybe your girlfriend’s grandma will never look at her quite the same way again. Whether or not it’s right for Grandma to make such assumptions, if it seems like something that could happen, that would be a compelling reason to play it safe in this regard.

I hope that helps. 🙂
 
Get separate rooms. I understand it is expensive, but do so as long as you can afford to.

Couple of years ago, I went abroad with my friend, a guy classmate way back from highschool days.

I wanted to save money, so we shared a hotel room.

When my family members asked or said that we would be getting 2 hotel rooms, I lied and said yes.

Nothing happened of course, as we were just friends and I have zero attraction to him.

But what I did was wrong, and I regretted it.

To make things more awkward, on the plane back home, he asked me if the two of us could try being in a relationship, since both of us were single.
 
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Yes, this helps a lot. Thank you for your effort to help me understand the Catholic perspective.
 
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