Overpopulation: Fact or Fiction and BirthControl

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Is overpopulation accounts true??

If so, why are many European Countries including Russia offering cash for women who have babies. Putin says there wont be enough men to run their factories decades from now.
Just Google “Birth Rates” or “Christian Birth Rates” and you will notice there appears to be a huge problem with aging populations and the far lack of birth replacements. People on the average are having less than 2 kids. I have read that Europeans and white Americans are not even replacing themselves. Some graphs have Muslims as the fastest growing religion (they dont practice BC), where the Christians are rapidly declinining. Why is this happening? Why are big Christian families a thing of the past?

cbsnews.com/stories/2006/05/19/world/main1635851.shtml

religioustolerance.org/worldrel.htm

I believe one of the best weapons against Christians by the devil is the birth control pill. Why wont Christians listen to to the Catholic Church on BC. What do you think?

As Christians should we be concerned?

In Christ!
 
Catholig said:
Or are they just emmigrating?

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No, that’s not what the figures are about if you look - they’re ‘fertility rate’. The CIA defines this as:
This entry gives a figure for the average number of children that would be born per woman if all women lived to the end of their childbearing years and bore children according to a given fertility rate at each age.
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I don’t think God makes the mistake of making people too fertile, so we “need” to take a drug to fix us, or to damage us, so to speak. I don’t think He told us to be fruitful and mulitply and design our bodies accordingly, only for us to figure out how stupid that was in the sixtes.
 
Historically, of course, there wasn’t a high population growth rate - a high number of births were balanced by high infant mortality (and deaths in childbirth) and lower life expectancy, generally. The large average family sizes of the late 19th and 20th centuries were a product of improvements in ‘public health’ (water, sanitation etc), medicines and medical practice.
 
Of course it’s a fiction. Did God create the Earth for us to live upon? Yes…and no. Answer yes is correct only in a limited sense.

Let me explain. have often heard people talk about looking at the night sky and “realizing” how small we are. I’ve never felt that way. I look at the night sky and realize how important we are. For we are the point and purpose of creation. God created the UNIVERSE for us to live in. There are literally billions of planets for each human being. Hardly over-populated.
 
John_Kearns said:
There are literally billions of planets for each human being. Hardly over-populated.
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Well, we don’t really have the means to reach those planets yet. So far, Earth is the only planet that’s truly livable. Putting small colonies on the Moon or Mars is a possibility, but we could hardly expect to have any significant population there at this time.

I don’t see declining birth rates as a problem. If there is a danger of humans becoming extinct, it’s not because of declining birth rates. There are over 6 billion of us. If there is a danger (and I’m not saying there is), it is from depletion of resources and the possibility of (gasp) global warming.
 
I heard or read somewhere that the the World Health Organisation found that the most effective contraceptive is an educated woman. It appears that in contries where a high proportion of women are educated, particularly to a high standard, the birth rate is low.

This isn’t because educated women can read the instructions on the packet of contraceptive pills; you don’t need much of an education to be able to do that. It’s probably because education stimulates the mind and gives people (women in this case) interests “outside the home”. This results in them having fewer children.

This isn’t to deny the affect of artificial contraception on population numbers, but we can not blame artificial contraception entirely (and no, I wouldn’t suggest we stop sending our daughters to school as a partial remedy).
 
Cadellin said:
I heard or read somewhere that the the World Health Organisation found that the most effective contraceptive is an educated woman. It appears that in contries where a high proportion of women are educated, particularly to a high standard, the birth rate is low.

This isn’t because educated women can read the instructions on the packet of contraceptive pills; you don’t need much of an education to be able to do that. It’s probably because education stimulates the mind and gives people (women in this case) interests “outside the home”. This results in them having fewer children.

This isn’t to deny the affect of artificial contraception on population numbers, but we can not blame artificial contraception entirely (and no, I wouldn’t suggest we stop sending our daughters to school as a partial remedy).
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Cadellin, what the WHO is talking about is artificial birth control. Educated women have less children because they use it. 😦 The reason is that they have their career to pursue or their studies to finish & can’t afford to have children mess with their plans.

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auhsoj88 said:
Is overpopulation accounts true??

If so, why are many European Countries including Russia offering cash for women who have babies. Putin says there wont be enough men to run their factories decades from now.
Just Google “Birth Rates” or “Christian Birth Rates” and you will notice there appears to be a huge problem with aging populations and the far lack of birth replacements. People on the average are having less than 2 kids. I have read that Europeans and white Americans are not even replacing themselves. Some graphs have Muslims as the fastest growing religion (they dont practice BC), where the Christians are rapidly declinining. Why is this happening? Why are big Christian families a thing of the past?

cbsnews.com/stories/2006/05/19/world/main1635851.shtml

religioustolerance.org/worldrel.htm

I believe one of the best weapons against Christians by the devil is the birth control pill. Why wont Christians listen to to the Catholic Church on BC. What do you think?

As Christians should we be concerned?

In Christ!
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It is a simple thing called demographic transition. Three stages… Europe and most other affluent areas are in the late 2nd or third stage where birth and death are evening out or deaths begin to outweigh births, unfortuneately all the countries you are talking about having too much room for growth are the small percentage that are in that stage or stages, but most nations are not. Over population in dense areas is absolutely a real problem, there are only so much space we can live in and at that we need to keep so much of it for natural resources, nature, and food production. Also with being affluent we reauire more space per person. This is called our ecological footprint which is accually really embarrassing to look at as an American. You have to take into accout the space for our waste and areas damaged by pollution. All the space we take up with roads because in afluent countries we drive in large numbers and then you have to consider the space needed for the things that provide us with things we use, factories and shops, supply centers and all that. We really are as an entire race growing faster then most regions can compensate and over crouding is a real problem. I just look at the Tsunami and hurricane events, Earth quakes, and all those and consider the fact that these have always happened before but now instead of a few people injured or dying we have thousands. You can look at the urban sprawl issues in urban areas. The mudslides that occur is a good example that we are movie to far and too many of us to accually live in places safe for us. As for Christian birth rates and populations that isnt really anything to do with birth of christians, but the life of the people today faith is draining from todays populations, leading to less people to accually have their child be considered a christin birth or grow uyp to be christian satan’s tool isnt the slowing birth rates but his deception of our adult populations away from faith, leading their children away.
 
Catholig said:
Cadellin, what the WHO is talking about is artificial birth control. Educated women have less children because they use it. 😦 The reason is that they have their career to pursue or their studies to finish & can’t afford to have children mess with their plans.
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True, but even good Catholic families aren’t as large as they used to be, so there’s more to it than the use of artificial birth control methods.

Another reason our society is top-heavy, agewise, is the improvements in health care we enjoy. The high standard of health care we receive during the first five years of our lives is the largest single reason why so many of us live well into old age. However, these improvements in health care also result in a decline in infant mortality, so you’d expect the ratio of elderly to young to be maintained, which, of course, it’s not and therein lies the problem.

St Paul says it’s better to remain single than to marry. If the vast majority of people heeded his call and remained single (and consequently abstained from sex) we would find ourselves in the same predicament we’re in now. So it seems the use of artificial contraception is showing us what the world would be like if most of us were to follow St Paul’s advice.
 
Cadellin said:
True, but even good Catholic families aren’t as large as they used to be, so there’s more to it than the use of artificial birth control methods.

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In developed countries some causes of lower fertility may be traced to pollution of water sources and soil. However, unfortunately many “good” Catholic familiea are using artificial birth control methods.

There is no overpopulation when considering the total population of the world and the population level the world can sustain. Even Planned Parenthood and the UN finally have acknowledged this!

There are, however, areas of every country that are overpopulated - usually ghettos where the poor are living on top of each other.

As long as 5% of the worlds population controls 80 - 90% of the worlds money this will remain the same.
 
John_Kearns said:
Let me explain. have often heard people talk about looking at the night sky and “realizing” how small we are. I’ve never felt that way. I look at the night sky and realize how important we are. For we are the point and purpose of creation. God created the UNIVERSE for us to live in. There are literally billions of planets for each human being. Hardly over-populated.
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If you become Mormon you can have one for your very own when you die. As long as you’re a man.
 
Benedictus said:
Well, we don’t really have the means to reach those planets yet. So far, Earth is the only planet that’s truly livable. Putting small colonies on the Moon or Mars is a possibility, but we could hardly expect to have any significant population there at this time.

I don’t see declining birth rates as a problem. If there is a danger of humans becoming extinct, it’s not because of declining birth rates. There are over 6 billion of us. If there is a danger (and I’m not saying there is), it is from depletion of resources and the possibility of (gasp) global warming.
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One thing to keep in mind is that there can never be a case of overpopulation.

The creation of a new human being is not like sin, in that God merely allows it. The creation of a human being is a deliberate act of God, and thus is always a good thing.

God does not create people by accident. To do so, He must create a unique soul for the person and humans can never compel Him to do so.

So each and every person that inhabits the Earth has been created to be here by God Himself.

If anything, our world is UNDER populated from God’s perpective, due to abortion. There are literally millions of people that God created to inhabit the Earth with us that were killed by man’s inhumanity in the name of ‘Choice’.
 
Maybe as the population of the Earth reaches a hypothetical “carrying capacity” God would respond by placing more vocations to chaste singlehood, or priesthood and religious life into the hearts of young people.

Perhaps this is already going on, and being widely ignored, as increasing numbers of people who seem to have no desire to get married live unchastely and have children, and others who, through multiple attempts at marriage, evidence the lack of proper disposition toward marriage, but have children in the process. Could it be that, lots of people who assume the default attitude of “I’m meant to get married and have kids”, could actually be called to something else, if they only knew how to listen for God’s call?
 
Benedictus said:
I don’t see declining birth rates as a problem.
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There is a huge problem with declining birth rates but the MSM refuses to acknowledge anything that conflicts with a collective liberal bias.

ON the “pragmatic” side, unfortunately the side relating to material issues, declining birth rates currently mean an overwhelming shortfall in Social Security and Medicare. Combined with a rapidly aging population and no way to fix the budget shortfall, most people young and old will end up finding themselves in dreadful situations. We are facing socialism at best, and look how well that is working for our European friends, who are exterminating themselves and suffering horrible economies and unrest.

pop.org/main.cfm?id=303&r1=15.00&r2=1.00&r3=0.50&r4=0.00&level=3&eid=1068
pop.org/main.cfm?id=287&r1=2.00&r2=1.50&r3=0.03&r4=0.00&level=3&eid=1053
 
According to World Population Information, the world’s population is estimated to be 6,585,636,461 as of 22:30 GMT Mar 30, 2007

According to U.S. Census Bureau State & County QuickFacts, the land area of Texas is 261,797 square miles.

So, “cramming” the entire world’s population in an area the size of the state of Texas would result in a population density of just over 25,155 people per square mile, or 9 people (a family of 5 plus a family of 4) on two adjacent 50’x100’ lots. Not crowded at all – and you still have the land area of the whole rest of the world which would be empty.
 
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