"pagan" brother-in-law

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This fellow loves all the fanciful stuff associated with the new pagan stuff; believes Christians murdered millions of pagans, that Christianity stole pagan practices, etc., would like to believe in elves and fairies, etc. Just a load of nonsense that he’s deeply emotionally connected to.

It’s frustrating not only because of the moral implications, but also because he shies away from any real scientific or historical or scientific discussion that disproves a lot of this fanciful, conspiracy-theory-like, thinking.

Any suggestions?
 
WHAT TO DO?!?!

This fellow loves all the fanciful stuff associated with the new pagan stuff; believes Christians murdered millions of pagans, that Christianity stole pagan practices, etc., would like to believe in elves and fairies, etc. Just a load of nonsense that he’s deeply emotionally connected to.

It’s frustrating not only because of the moral implications, but also because he shies away from any real scientific or historical or scientific discussion that disproves a lot of this fanciful, conspiracy-theory-like, thinking.

Any suggestions?
Does this person like to read fantasy? Is he familiar with Tolkien and C.S. Lewis? Perhaps the stories and lives of these men could eventually lead this BIL back to Christianity.
 
There is great mysticism, miracles, etc…within Christian tradition of which he is likely ignorant. You can always encourage study, or as the last poster pointed out, give him a book. Lives of the saints also are full of miraculous stories.

If you are an openly devout practitioner of your faith, he may also be trying to yank your chain. :rolleyes: If he launches into a pagan story for your benefit, act interested, even fascinated and thank him for sharing–then be prepared with one of your own Christian tales to tell in return. It will take the wind out of his sails if he can’t get under your skin or get you to argue with him.
 
my BIL (ex) was into the same stuff, he actually wrote computer programs to make astrology charts and tarot readings. a very intelligent self-educated guy but with a huge blind spot when it came to anything new age. He would swallow that bilge hook line and sinker but rebelled against the Catholic teachings in which he was raised. He hung crystals all around his house in strategic spots, but laughed at me for carrying a rosary around. his ex-wife, my sister, is a card-carrying wicca goddess-worshipper and has become such a bitter person and so critical and defensive about all such matters I simply cannot be around her. She is scary, and the damage her infatuation with this loonytoons stuff is doing is even more scary.
 
my BIL (ex) was into the same stuff, he actually wrote computer programs to make astrology charts and tarot readings. a very intelligent self-educated guy but with a huge blind spot when it came to anything new age. He would swallow that bilge hook line and sinker but rebelled against the Catholic teachings in which he was raised. He hung crystals all around his house in strategic spots, but laughed at me for carrying a rosary around. Up to this point I was thinking…You are my sister. But then came this part:his ex-wife, my sister, is a card-carrying wicca goddess-worshipper and has become such a bitter person and so critical and defensive about all such matters I simply cannot be around her. She is scary, and the damage her infatuation with this loonytoons stuff is doing is even more scary.Then I knew it wasn’t me when I saw this…hehehehe!!!
Maxply… It is my experience that these people know the truth down deep but have some problem with the Catholic church. It is usually better to focus on healing these hurts first. For my ex it was the death of his sister when he was 5. Everyone told him it was God’s will… the stupidest thing to say to a 5 yo if you ask me!!! So from age 5 on he has been angry at God for taking his big sister away.
 
Well, first of all, when he is right about what those wrongs we have committed, don’t disagree with him. It is a scandal what we have done to those we perceive as “other”, even though it may fairly be said that nearly every other culture, religious or not, has eventually done the same thing when the opportunity presented itself. Their golden ages of tolerance have come, yes, but they’ve also gone at times, too. The Church has not always gone any further beyond our fallen human nature than anyone else. This does not, however, mean that he needs to be allowed to get away with some romantic nonsense about the “old” religions acting any differently. A survey of their pasts will quickly uncover its share of bloodied hands.

Also, remember that some offenses taken as personal by pagans were not actually perpetrated on the pagans themselves. They were perpetrated against Christians that others in their group imagined were pagans! In the Salem witchcraft trials, for instance…as nearly as I can tell, no actual pagans were sacrificed. The victims were Christians who had been subjected to smear campaigns. Now there are modern pagans, people who are practicing a religion that was made up within the last century, taking these tragic incidents within some small Protestant sect as a personal attack on them by the Catholic Church…a Church that was also under attack by some Protestant groups as being pagan and false herself!

Also, if you go back to Greece and Rome, you’ll find that pagans didn’t have much problem with sacrificing Christians for sport, when it was the pagans who had the upper hand. Shall we, then, blame modern-day pagans for the sins of powerful people to whom they have mere paganism as a relation? Well, why not, when modern-day pagans have no problem with taking Christian atrocities that had nothing to do with them as personal affronts?

As far as “stealing” pagan practice, why is it theft when your converts bring their old practices with them and you allow them to combine them with yours? If that weren’t done–not that there was much choice in many circumstances!–we’d have been accused of abusing the converts by robbing them of their culture!

IOW, we need to admit that we often fall short of our own ideals, but those who accuse us also need to take care that they aren’t trying to have it both ways themselves.

It does not hurt to know that pagans have their own moral code. The first is the three-fold rule: What you send out into the world will re-visit you threefold. Therefore, if your brother is sending venom towards Christians out into the world, he has to remember that by his own religion, that venom will one day come back three times as potent to bite him. Their other rule is this: Do no one harm, then do as you will. You may call this a pale imitation of the Golden Rule, and I won’t argue that it isn’t, but it is the rule that binds him. If he seeks to do harm to you, he is in violation of his own morality.

Be certain in all this that you follow the Golden Rule: Do unto him as you would have him do unto you. I think we would all agree that we would want to be loved, we would want to be given the impression that the other person was making an effort to understand us where we were, and that we would want them to keep trying to bring us back around to the truth. As you do so, remind him that you cannot keep yourself from giving him the best that you have to offer. If he doesn’t like the gift, ask him to please at least accept it with the sentiment intended. Try to accept what good he attempts to send you in the same spirit.

If you want to find out more about what wiccans believe (which comes in about as many different forms as there are wiccans), you might go to your local library to see if they have something like “When Someone You Love is Wiccan”. When you’ve done your homework about them, you’ll have won yourself that much credibility, at any rate, and maybe some compassion, too.
 
WHAT TO DO?!?!

This fellow loves all the fanciful stuff associated with the new pagan stuff; believes Christians murdered millions of pagans, that Christianity stole pagan practices, etc., would like to believe in elves and fairies, etc. Just a load of nonsense that he’s deeply emotionally connected to.

It’s frustrating not only because of the moral implications, but also because he shies away from any real scientific or historical or scientific discussion that disproves a lot of this fanciful, conspiracy-theory-like, thinking.

Any suggestions?
Well, I would suggest this person read St. Augustine’s City of God, particularly Book 2, where he talks specifically about how the Christians and pagans in Rome got along in through the mid 5th century. He was there, he was a pagan before his conversion, he should know.

By the way, does he not realized that pagans killed an awful lot of Christians? Who does he think it was who killed all the early Christian martyrs?

Of course, if he won’t look at empirical evidence he probably would not believe the truth if hits him in the face. There are many people who hold onto the “I’ve made up my mind, don’t confuse me with the facts.” I have encountered some several historians who hold this view as well.
 
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