Palm Sunday

[TantumErgo90]

In this thread: forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=111249 it says that on the 1962 Palm Sunday the priest doesn’t distribute the Palms and during the Glory, Laud, and Honor hymn the priest doesn’t stand at the church door and the subdeacon didn’t knock. I went to the Palm Sunday Mass at an FSSP parish. They did both things. I know this was 1962 because they didn’t use the “fore-mass” but the 1955 rite. They also didn’t use the pre-communion confiteor (but I have seen that in the 1962 rite before). Did the priest celebrate this liturgy correctly?

 

[brotherhrolf]

I don’t remember this and I just went through my St. Joseph’s 1962 Missal and don’t see this in the rubrics. We got palms in the back of the church and carried them in and they were blessed with us holding them during the procession as best as I can remember.

“Then the Celebrant first sprinkles three times the Palm branches placed on the credence table, then going to the Altar railing, the Palms of the people, if they are already holding them, unless he prefers to bless these by walking around the aisles of the church.”

I don’t remember anything about the priest standing and knocking.

 

[Tantum_ergo]

Actually what I remember more from the ‘old’ Mass was that there was a difference between Passion Sunday (the Sunday before Palm Sunday, and if I remember correctly when the Passion gospel was read) and Palm Sunday, and that in the newer Mass some elements of the two were ‘combined’ (but not all elements of course). Does this help clarify?

 

[Joe_Kelley]

Actually what I remember more from the ‘old’ Mass was that there was a difference between Passion Sunday (the Sunday before Palm Sunday, and if I remember correctly when the Passion gospel was read) and Palm Sunday, and that in the newer Mass some elements of the two were ‘combined’ (but not all elements of course). Does this help clarify?

According to my 1950 St Joseph"s missal the gospel for Passion Sunday was John 8:46-59. The Passion, according to Matthew, was read on Palm Sunday. [according to Mark was read Tuesday of Holy Week, Luke on Wednesday and John on Good Friday]

 

[AJV]

In this thread: forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=111249 it says that on the 1962 Palm Sunday the priest doesn’t distribute the Palms and during the Glory, Laud, and Honor hymn the priest doesn’t stand at the church door and the subdeacon didn’t knock. I went to the Palm Sunday Mass at an FSSP parish. They did both things. I know this was 1962 because they didn’t use the “fore-mass” but the 1955 rite. They also didn’t use the pre-communion confiteor (but I have seen that in the 1962 rite before). Did the priest celebrate this liturgy correctly?

I presume you were referring to this?

Various aspects of the procession were changed. Palms were held by the laity and blessed instead of being blessed then distributed. An alternative was blessing the palms at a table in the sanctuary- previously it was done at the altar.

What I meant was that it is permitted that the palms be distributed (after being blessed at a table)- but the innovation is that it is an option that the palms be blessed and incensed while held by the people.

It is not mandated that the subdeacon stand and knock. Before the revised Holy Week, when the procession returned to the church, 2-4 cantors were directed to go inside and with the door being shut begin the hymn “Gloria, laus et honor”, the response (the first two verses) of which was taken up by all. At the conclusion of this, the rubrics instructed the subdeacon to strike the door with the foot of the cross (Postea Subdiaconus hastili Crucis percutit portam) and the procession would then enter while " Ingrediente Domino" was chanted.
In the revised Holy Week, “Gloria, laus et honor” is sung in the procession and the rubric on the striking is omitted or any ceremonial opening and closing of the door at that point, is omitted.

 

[Caesar]

Sometimes priests like to bring back those older traditions that do not appear in later versions of the Missale Romanum. I dont think this is a bad thing, quite the opposite.

It sounds to me like your FSSP did this for the Palm Sunday Mass.

 

[kleary]

Thre are several options for Palm Sunday and the distribution of palms as described in “The Ceremonies of the Roman Rite Described” for Fortescue and O’Connel.

The palms are on their own table in the Sanctuary and the people receive them from the priest at the communion rail- kissing the hand of the priest and then the palm.

One option for “smaller churches” is for the people to take the palms from a table in the back of the church before the Mass begins and the priest blesses them walking through the church and sprinkling them with holy water as in the Asperges.

Ken

 

[TantumErgo90]

My 1962 Angelus Missal says that the Choir sings the verses and the people sing “Gloaria, Laus, et honor…”. It however says nothing about the door. We also didn’t sing the chants after the Gloria, Laus, et Honor…we waited at the door while we sung the Gloria, Laus, et honor (the choir was in the church already)…they the door opened…and we went in…is this permitted. I’ve gone onto other websites with pictures of Holy Week (they were indults) and they did the same thing.

 

[AJV]

I’ve heard that the ICRSS uses the pre-55/6 Holy Week.

These are the two rubrics

Pre-1955/6
In reversione Processionis, duo vel quatuor Cantores intrant in ecclesiam, et clauso ostio, stantes versa facie ad Processionem, incipiunt V. Gloria, laus, et decantant duos primos versus. Sacerdos vero, cum aliis extra ecclesiam, repetit eosdem.

Deinde, qui sunt intus, cantant alios versus sequentes: vel omnes vel partem, prout videbitur: et, qui sunt extra, ad quoslibet duos versus respondent: Gloria, laus, sicut a principio V…Gloria, laus et honor, etc.

In the return of the Procession, two or four Cantors enter the church, and the door having been closed, standing facing the Procession begin the V. Glory, laud and chant the first two verses. And the Priest, with the others outside the church, repeat the same.

Then those who are within, chant the other following verses, either all, or part, as is desirable: and those who are outside, at each two verses respond Glory, laud as at the beginning V…Glory, laud and honour, etc.

Revised Holy Week

Progrediente processione, cantatur sequens hymnus, populo, si fieri potest, duos primos versus continuo repetente, ut infra notatur. …HYMNUS AD CHRISTUM REGEM…Gloria, laus et honor, etc.

The procession proceeding, the following hymn is chanted, with the people, if it can be done, continually repeating the first two verses, as noted below….HYMN TO CHRIST THE KING…Glory, laud and honour, etc.