Parental Notification Or Parental Consent To Have An Abortion?

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**WHAT A TRAGEDY! IF THIS HAD BEEN YOUR DAUGHTER WHAT LAW WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE PASSED?

1. PARENTAL NOTIFICATION You would be notified in advance that your daughter was to have an abortion.
2. PARENTAL CONSENT Your daughter would need your consent to have an abortion.

3. No Law, I would rather not know that my daughter was going to have an abortion.

15-Year-Old Detroit Girl Dies from Botched Second Trimester Abortion

DETROIT, MI, March 11, 2004 (LifeSiteNews.com) - A 15-year-old in a Detroit suburb died January 8 as a result of a second trimester abortion. News of the death has not been published anywhere except a minor mention on a local Fox station.

Dr. Leigh Hlavaty performed an autopsy on 15-year-old Tamia Russell on January 9. Dr. Hlavaty told a local registered nurse and pro-life activist who contacted LifeSiteNews.com that the girl’s death was caused by “uterine infarction with sepsis due to status second trimester abortion.” She ruled the death as “normal.” The doctor explained, “I ruled it normal because these complications are expected with this type of abortion.”

The case is complicated by the fact that Russell’s boyfriend was 24 and in Michigan that constitutes statutory rape. Moreover, the boyfriend’s sister took Russell in for the abortion without the knowledge of Russell’s parents. Michigan law requires parental notification for abortions for minors under 18.

Tamia’s family told Fox that they did not even know their daughter was six months pregnant. The family is outraged over the incident and are blaming the abortionist at the Woman Care Clinic in Lanthrup Village for their daughter’s death. Michigan pro-life activist Ann Norton told LifeSiteNews.com that the abortionist in question is Alberto Hotari.

Local police, and the attorney general are reportedly investigating the case however phone calls to the local police department were not returned by press time. Michigan Right to Life told LifeSiteNews.com they are following the case closely.

LifeSiteNews.com called the Woman Care Clinic to ask for a comment. After being put on hold for an excessive period of time, a woman who did not wish to be named said, “I’m sorry to tell you that because of all the privacy rules in effect, we cannot reveal any information.”

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I hit the wrong button:nope: I should have hit notification and consent:sleep: Not enough coffee in me.God Bless
 
This thread is inappropriate on a Catholic forum. The Catholic Answer is none of the above – killing the unborn (or their mothers!) should not be a “choice” – on a poll or otherwise – it should not be legal at all.

JMJ Jay
 
This tragedy is compounded by the fact that this girl clearly felt she could not share this crisis with her parents. She must have suffered horribly both emotionally and physically before she died, especially if she was so sick without her parents’ knowledge and trying to hide her illness and the emotional pain of her abortion. ❤️

BTW, I voted for consent, because as long as abortion is legal, if my daughter needed my consent, I could at least prevent her from having an abortion.
 
Dear Katholikos, it should be illegal it is wrong all the time.Since it is legal the thought that a child who can’t get an aspirin at school without permission from parents can go and have their child killed without notice and consent is just another evil that is hard to take.You have to keep in mind that public schools teach this as an option in certain places and will help a child procure an abortion without fear of reprisal.Until it is illegal we have to attempt to make it as difficult as possible for abortions to take place.God Bless
 
**I live in California where there is no parental notification or parental consent law for minor girls to have abortions. ****This means that my under aged daughter could be raped repeatedly and have multiple abortions and I would never be aware of it. :banghead: **
**Without parental notification and parental consent laws it makes it easier for incest and molestation to go undetected. :nope: **
A relative of my husband works in a clinic that used to perform abortions. They had girls as young as twelve :nope: coming in to have abortions. Many times these young girls were brought in by men in their mid twenties :nope: and many times these same girls came in more than once for an abortion. :banghead: Because of privacy laws in the cases of abortions statutory rape laws go right out the window.
WHAT IS MOST UNBELIEVEABLE IS:
**IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA **
**YOU NEED PARENTAL CONSENT **
TO GET YOUR EARS PIERCED (or any other piercing)
TO GET A TATOO
TO GO ON A FIELD TRIP
TO GET A SHOT (immunization)
TO HAVE ANY SURGERY (except abortion)
**IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA YOUR DAUGHTER CAN BE COUNSELED AND ADVISED BY EMPLOYEES AT HER PUBLIC SCHOOL ON HOW TO HAVE AN ABORTION. THE GOVERNMENT WILL PAY FOR THE ABORTION. A SCHOOL EMPLOYEE CAN LEGALLY DRIVE YOUR DAUGHTER TO AND FROM THE ABORTION CLINIC:nope: . YOU HAVE NO RIGHTS AS A PARENT IN THE EVENT THAT YOUR DAUGHTER HAS AN ABORTION.:banghead: **
There is a Parental notification initiative that will hopefully get on the ballot. They are gathering signatures for this initiative.
parentalnotification.org/PNIupdate.cfm
 
Thanks for the link for the petition.I will sign it after Mass.Until the day this disasterous law is overturned we have to do everything in our power to make abortion as difficult as possible.God Bless

PS Did anyone notice that the childs death was ruled “normal”:mad: :banghead:
 
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Katholikos:
This thread is inappropriate on a Catholic forum. The Catholic Answer is none of the above – killing the unborn (or their mothers!) should not be a “choice” – on a poll or otherwise – it should not be legal at all.

JMJ Jay
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Dear Katholikos,

**You are so right. It is inappropriate on a Catholic forum. But I believe it is necessary. I posted this thread and poll to inform people on the abortion laws and what is legal in the state of California as well as other states. Many people are not aware of the laws. I was not aware that an under aged girl could legally obtain an abortion without her parents consent until about five years ago and I’ve lived in California my whole life. **

The majority of people in California think because their children need parental consent for many other minor things like: ear piercing, field trips and shots that it would only make sense that they would most definitely need parental consent for an abortion, sadly this is not the case.

**Parents need to be informed of their state laws so that we can make a change through our vote. **

ABORTION IS WRONG, WE NEED TO PUT A STOP TO IT!
 
Of course, I fully support any such law.

But I also wonder if the more urgent concern is not parental notification/consent where a minor desires an abortion and the parents mihgt object, but the reverse. Shouldn’t the greater priority be ptoecting minors who do not want an abortion fro parents and others who pressure them into this?

Some pro-life groups have indicated a huge number of young women having abortions are victims of undue pressure.

What about a law that addresses this issue?
 
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katherine2:
Shouldn’t the greater priority be ptoecting minors who do not want an abortion fro parents and others who pressure them into this?

Some pro-life groups have indicated a huge number of young women having abortions are victims of undue pressure.

What about a law that addresses this issue?
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You make a good point. I agree that there should be more advocacy groups for minors who do not want to consent to an abortion but are being pressured to have one–some kind of law that would allow minors to request “sanctuary” --but it is not a GREATER priority than saving the life of the unborn child. The pregnant child will most likely live, albeit damaged, but the unborn child will not. The right to life is the foremost right.
 
I wish someone would go around to all the girls and tell them that if they get pregnant that there is somewhere for them to go so they do not need to get an abortion. Tell them they don’t have to face their boyfriend or parents’ wrath alone. I think they should have signs and little plastic holders with business cards in lots of places where girls are (locker rooms, washrooms, school halls) for any worthwhile project to help pregnant women/girls.

More on topic, I don’t want someone to be able to pressure a girl to go get an abortion in secret. I think this could happen a lot.
 
Wow, there’s either a lot of yelling going on or people on this thread are near-sighted.

I think all points are excellent, but even before making sure kids know they don’t have to have an abortion we should ensure they understand that extra-marital sex is wrong in the first place. Too often (I don’t mean here) it is treated as inevitable.
 
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Flounder:
Wow, there’s either a lot of yelling going on or people on this thread are near-sighted.
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WHAD’ YA SAY HONEY? SPEAK UP, I CAN’T HEAR YA…😃
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Flounder:
I think all points are excellent, but even before making sure kids know they don’t have to have an abortion we should ensure they understand that extra-marital sex is wrong in the first place. Too often (I don’t mean here) it is treated as inevitable.
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Double excellent point–but until a parent threatens the life of a grandchild, they have the right to be poor parents. Maybe more could be done with advertising (will stations and papers and mags run them?)–it helped a lot with smoking and driving drunk and littering…
 
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Flounder:
understand that extra-marital sex is wrong in the first place. Too often (I don’t mean here) it is treated as inevitable.
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This is one of my very main beefs (gee, I’ve got a lot of complaints today). It is the worst idea in the world to treat adolescents as if it were inevitable that they have sex while young. First, it shows you have no respect for them as people, assuming them unable to control themselves. Any person, much less a young person, hates being viewed that way. Second it can drive that certain ornery type to say “well, they already think I am a so-and-so, so why not be one.” Third, high expectations of someone can often bring good things to pass.

I worry that if all one does is treat them like sex-crazed people, then they will come to see themselves that way. Seeing yourself that way leads to dumb choices based on a false idea of what you are. You could get married to “control your lust” because you have the dumb idea that there is no other way to control yourself because that is how you have always been treated.
 
cut and pasted from “IN THE NEWS” forum

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Originally Posted by TPJCatholic
*Let us also not forget that when a young girl becomes pregnant, she is carrying her parents grandchild! The young woman’s parents most definitely will care about whether or not their grandchild is murdered through abortion. As a father of five, I pray that the Lord blesses me and my wife with bunches of grandchildren.

I pray these laws will pass.*

**Excellent point.:clapping: Imagine if all the pro-life grandparents, fathers, mothers, aunts, uncles, sisters, brothers of pregnant women and siblings of the unborn in the U.S.A United in their efforts to put an end to abortion. :yup: Why don’t the relatives of the unborn have a voice?:hmmm: **

The fathers of the unborn especially should be heard.
 
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st_felicity:
You make a good point. I agree that there should be more advocacy groups for minors who do not want to consent to an abortion but are being pressured to have one–some kind of law that would allow minors to request “sanctuary” --but it is not a GREATER priority than saving the life of the unborn child. The pregnant child will most likely live, albeit damaged, but the unborn child will not. The right to life is the foremost right.
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By greater, I simply meant that while both are laudable initiatives, I would bet we have more girls pressured by their parents to have abortions against their will than girls having abortions against their parents will.
 
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katherine2:
By greater, I simply meant that while both are laudable initiatives, I would bet we have more girls pressured by their parents to have abortions against their will than girls having abortions against their parents will.
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katherine2, do you know for a fact that underage girls can be legally forced by their parents or anyone else to have an abortion or can they just be pressured?

Legally if minors can be forced into (against their own will) having abortions by their parents then why is it that parents have no legal right to not permit them to have an abortion?
 
**When a Parent Doesn’t Know **

**Mother Not Told of Thirteen-Year Old’s Abortion **

**BY ANNE KNIGHT **

**On Friday morning, July 30, **2004, Diana Lopez, a divorced mother of four young children, was awakened by a phone call. The call was from a staff member at the middle school that her two oldest children attend, Memorial Academy in San Diego. Lopez recounted that the staff member told her that her 13-year-old daughter had been taken to the hospital because she was bleeding. Lopez states that when she asked what had happened to her daughter, the staff member’s response was that they didn’t know and that her daughter’s boyfriend’s mother had come to take her to the hospital.

Lopez’s 14-year-old daughter then called Lopez, revealing that her 13-year-old sister was about to get an abortion at Planned Parenthood. “I just started screaming,” Lopez recalled. Lopez spoke to the staff member again and asked what she should do and how she could find her daughter. Lopez said that the staff member replied that she didn’t know what to do and suggested that Lopez contact the police.

Lopez says that she was not aware that her daughter was pregnant. She later learned that the mother of her 13-year-old daughter’s boyfriend (also 13) had orchestrated the abortion. On the morning that the school called her, the boyfriend’s mother had arranged to pick up Lopez’s 13-year-old daughter at the school and take her to Planned Parenthood for the abortion. The 13-year-old was then four months pregnant and had had laminaria inserted. As she walked with her older sister to school that morning, she began experiencing severe cramps and bleeding. Upon arriving at the school office, her older sister asked to use the phone, intending to call the boyfriend’s mother.

The 14-year-old told the school that her 13-year-old sister was to be taken to Planned Parenthood that day by the boyfriend’s mother for an abortion. Lopez asserts that, because of the 14-year-old’s explanation to school staff, the school was aware that the 13-year-old was scheduled to have an abortion at Planned Parenthood before they called her.

While a school nurse offered to check the 13-year-old, the 14-year-old called the boyfriend’s mother, who soon arrived at the school. According to Lopez, the boyfriend’s mother told the school that she was going to take the 13-year-old to the hospital. Lopez said that the school did not ask the boyfriend’s mother for identification or check to see if Lopez had listed her as an emergency contact person. Lopez says that the boyfriend’s mother is not authorized to pick up her children in case of an emergency at the school.

Since Lopez doesn’t have a car, she asked a school staff member to take her to the clinic where her daughter was. Her 14-year-old had learned that this was the Planned Parenthood surgical abortion mill on First and Grape streets, in downtown San Diego. After being dropped off there, Lopez demanded that the abortion be stopped.

According to Lopez, the receptionist replied that the clinic couldn’t release any information to her because it was a confidential matter; nothing could be done, and Lopez just needed to wait until her daughter came out from the surgery. Lopez’s stunned response: “What? She’s only 13 and I’m her mother! I want to be there with her!” Lopez also spoke to a supervisor, who, she said, threatened to call the police when Lopez got into a heated discussion with the boyfriend’s mother.

Lopez said that Planned Parenthood sent her daughter home with painkillers, antibiotics, and birth control pills but did not speak with Lopez regarding aftercare instructions. Lopez insists that had she known her daughter was pregnant, she would have urged her to have the baby. Help other families avoid such a tragedy. Support the Parents’ Right to Know initiative. Call (866) 828-8355, email Janet@ParentsRight2Know.org or visit website www.ParentsRight2Know.org.
 
notification and consent so thati can know about it and then refuse to let her.
 
what is the standard for other medical procedures?

IIRC notification & consent is the norm
why would it be any different for this?
 
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