Parents Need NOT know

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Just a bit of a rant here. I just read an article concerning the “The Youth Risk Behavior Surveillance System” (YRBSS). If you have not read this, please go to the Foxnews home page, you will find it there.

According to this article, ALL 12 year old across the nation are given a “survey” conducted by the CCD on a variety of issues, sex being one of them. An example of a question based on sex is…“How old were you when you had sexual intercourse for the first time?” and “Was a condom used?” Sound like a “Leading” question to you?

There is an e-mail address given, but when I typed a response I was given an error message saying this govt. address was down at this time. HMMM…sounds fishy to me…

Please, if you have not already read this article, YOU NEED TO!.. You will find it on foxnews.com home page. Scroll down till you see “ifeminists”, there you be able to read about this.

Just one more thing we parents have to worry about and guard our children against.
 
I remember reading about it. I’ll look at the article later. That is shady!!! I do not take kindly to surveys though, so I probably would have just written something nasty and turned it in uncompleted.

Eamon
 
The only “catch” is,those giving this “survey” DO NOT want the parents to have an advanced copy of it, so you will not be able to write any comment. They do not want the parents to “influence” thier children as to how to answer any of the questions. :eek:
 
Then my child need not attend CCD. Another thing I’ll have to do at home. At 12, they are still my children. I require that I know what my children are doing. If something is withheld from parents that is not acceptable. This just angers me. Not only do we have to keep an eye on the curriculum in the schools, but at their religious ed classes as well???
 
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Then my child need not attend CCD. Another thing I’ll have to do at home. At 12, they are still my children. I require that I know what my children are doing. If something is withheld from parents that is not acceptable. This just angers me. Not only do we have to keep an eye on the curriculum in the schools, but at their religious ed classes as well???
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Wait a minute what does Catholic education have to do with the government?Is this the same CCD?:eek:
 
I am already prepared to pull my kids from school if I need to because of what is being taught. I think it is sad that I would need to pull them from CCD classes.
 
I think the original poster meant CDC, which stands for the Centers for Disease Control, not CCD, which stands for Confraternity of Christian Doctrine.
 
That clears up a lot!!! Thank you!

(i’ll still pull my kids)
 
Parents Must Assert Rights Over School AuthoritiesFriday, June 24, 2005
By Wendy McElroy

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"How often does your 6th-grade daughter have oral sex?"

If the question offends you, then talk to the school officials at Shrewsbury, Mass. But don’t expect a sympathetic response.

When Mark Fisher protested quizzing his 12-year-old daughter about oral sex (among other topics), the school authorities asserted their right to gather such information without his consent.

The questionnaire is not limited to Massachusetts; it is nationwide. And the ‘problem’ is not the gathering of information but the denial of parental rights and reasonable concerns.

The Shrewsbury questionnaire is part of The Youth Risk Behavior Surveillance System (YRBSS) that was established in 1990 by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) to monitor youth behaviors that influence health.

The CDC website offers a 22-page version of the YRBS, which consists of 87 questions. Seven questions address sexual behavior. For example, the posted questionnaire asks, “How old were you when you had sexual intercourse for the first time?” And, was a condom used?

Past this point, the facts become confused. For one thing, there is no mention of oral sex on the CDC site. Nevertheless, each school district selected to participate in the YRBS is able to add or subtract questions.

Given that Shrewsbury has refused to release its version of the questionnaire, parents quite reasonably suspect the worst. Without disclosure of the survey to parents or the public, Fisher’s claim that students are asked to identify themselves as heterosexual, gay or bisexual stands.

For another thing, the national YRBS claims to report upon student in the 9th through 12th grades. Fisher’s daughter is in the 6th grade, where students are typically 11 or 12-years-old. However, other reports — from Planned Parenthood, for example — to confirm that 6th graders are being surveyed. In Shrewsbury students in grades 6, 8, 9 and 11 took part.

Without parental oversight and with school authorities unwilling to disclose questionnaires, no one really knows what information is being gathered.

Or rather, from the posted form, some things are clear. School authorities wish to know if parents have committed an illegal action.

Question 10: “During the past 30 days, how many times did you ride in a car or other vehicle driven by someone who had been drinking alcohol?”

Authorities also wish to know if your child has committed an illegal act.

Question 45: “How old were you when you tried marijuana for the first time?”
 
The posted form admonishes, “DO NOT write your name on this survey. The answers you give will be kept private.” But government information is notoriously non-private and teachers are easily able to identify respondents.

Moreover, confidentiality tends to erode easily when issues of child endangerment and criminal conduct are raised. (Does anyone believe that a child who circles “6 or more times” for Question 14 — “During the past 30 days, on how many days did you carry a weapon such as a gun, knife, or club on school property?” — will not have his or her file tagged?)

Nevertheless, the crux of the matter is not whether information on 11-year-olds will be kept private. It is: Does the government have a right to side-step parental consent and collect such information about children of any age without parental permission? (By “such information” I mean highly personal data and/or data that could possibly lead to criminal prosecution.)

That is what Fisher is demanding of the Massachusetts’ Department of Education: active parental involvement. At this point, state law requires parents to explicitly exempt their children from programs involving sexuality. Fisher is fighting for a bill that requires parental permission before children are included.

Explicit permission is particularly important in situations where parents seem to be — in Fisher’s words — “kept in the dark.”

School committee President Deborah Peeples reportedly explained that parents are permitted to view the survey but they are not allowed to take a copy home. Why? “It might be misinterpreted or misunderstood or they could use it to direct their children’s responses,” Peeples said.

In short, parents might discuss the sexual (and other) topics with their children.

Clearly, the school does not think such discussion is appropriate; conversation about the sexual survey is not appropriate between parent and children but should remain between government and child.

What can concerned parents do?

My immediate solution is to remove your child from the public school system and homeschool, if possible. (The long-term solution is to privatize education.)

If you are unable to do so, then you should aggressively demand to see every survey and government form your child is filling out. YRBSS is a nationwide survey, conducted every two years. These and other forms may follow your child for the rest of his or her life.

Do not believe that authorities, under the promise of privacy, will take no note if your child confesses to experimenting with drugs — Questions 44 to 56. Tell your children to never incriminate themselves.

Do not willingly give your money to schools that deny parental rights. On June 9, Shrewsbury voters overwhelmingly defeated a $1.5 million tax increase that would have boosted finances to school programs. Although school funding measures are almost always defeated for financial reasons, use the occasion of a vote to voice your discontent.

What happens to your children matters. Be nosy about the forms they fill out; demand to review the information officials want; when in doubt, refuse permission; know the content of school programs.

Be a nuisance. Be bossy. Be a genuine pain in the tuckus. In short, be a parent. That’s what your child needs.

Wendy McElroy is the editor of ifeminists.com and a research fellow for The Independent Institute in Oakland, Calif. She is the author and editor of many books and articles, including the new book, “Liberty for Women: Freedom and Feminism in the 21st Century” (Ivan R. Dee/Independent Institute, 2002). She lives with her husband in Canada.
 
This is insane stuff. Our world is so backwards. Parents are losing their children to society. When I was in high school ten years ago, my school gave us more information than we needed to know about sex and how to obtain birth control. But when I was 18 years old (legally an adult at that point), I requested Tylenol from the school office because of a headache. They called my mom first to see if it was OK. My parents thought it was insane that the school would nitpick about giving Tylenol to an adult, but encourage children to obtain birth control from their nearest Planned Parenthood. When it comes to sex nowadays, the parents are the last ones to know.

p.s. I can’t believe they would ask a 12 year old about oral sex. When I was 12 I had no idea what oral sex was.
 
I can’t believe the CDC asks this stuff and expects a straight answer!!! If I were a kid in a public school classroom, I might just whisper to my friends and see what they put down. :rolleyes:
 
Asella said:
This is insane stuff. Our world is so backwards. Parents are losing their children to society. When I was in high school ten years ago, my school gave us more information than we needed to know about sex and how to obtain birth control. But when I was 18 years old (legally an adult at that point), I requested Tylenol from the school office because of a headache. They called my mom first to see if it was OK. My parents thought it was insane that the school would nitpick about giving Tylenol to an adult, but encourage children to obtain birth control from their nearest Planned Parenthood. When it comes to sex nowadays, the parents are the last ones to know.
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This thread got me to thinking on another topic. Has any parent ever sued a family planning clinic for giving their minor child birth control? Only 21 of the 50 states have laws allowing minors to consent for birth control, and 25 have laws that allow minors to consent under certain circumstances. Minors can get any contraceptive available. The birth control pills and such are considered safe, but are they? The Depo Provera shot has been prescribed to minors. A birth control that is now black labeled, and the drug company doesn’t even know if it is safe and effective for “pediatric use”. What about the children who were prescribed Lunelle or Norplant, which were taken off the market.

What about the other treatments? What happens if a minor has to be treated for an abnormal pap? Some of these clinics also treat urinary tract infections. How does this continue without parent’s consenting?

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12 yr olds? DISGUSTING!!! This is offensive to all parties, parents kids and teachers.
 
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Asella:
This is insane stuff. Our world is so backwards. Parents are losing their children to society. When I was in high school ten years ago, my school gave us more information than we needed to know about sex and how to obtain birth control. But when I was 18 years old (legally an adult at that point), I requested Tylenol from the school office because of a headache. They called my mom first to see if it was OK. My parents thought it was insane that the school would nitpick about giving Tylenol to an adult, but encourage children to obtain birth control from their nearest Planned Parenthood. When it comes to sex nowadays, the parents are the last ones to know.

p.s. I can’t believe they would ask a 12 year old about oral sex. When I was 12 I had no idea what oral sex was.
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this is why alot of people i know, myself included, choose to educate our children at home. It was bad enough at the Kindergarten level. All my daugher learned was the lyrics to Brittany Spears songs and all the other songs on an album called “Kid’s Bop 2” The teacher thought it was wonderful, I wanted a bigger helping of education with her pop culture immersion. She brought a Rosary to school ( I was not aware, she had it in her pocket) and took it for show and tell and told all the kids what each bead meant, she was very excited. The teacher and principal demanded that religous items be left at home. I probably woudl not have let her take it to school anyway. At the “talent” show I thought I was going to be ill when three 4th graders sang and danced to Brittany Spears… “I’m not a girl, yet not a woman.” and a second grader lip sinched and danced to Christiana Agullaiara (sp?) " Im a genie in a bottle baby you gotta rub me the right way" she had all the moves.
 
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Asella:
p.s. I can’t believe they would ask a 12 year old about oral sex. When I was 12 I had no idea what oral sex was.
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When I was in eighth grade 12-13 I had my first sex education class. I can remember learning a few things, the teacher said “I’m not supposed to tell you this, but if I were going to have sex at your age the best form of birth control would ba a condom and a spermicidal sponge.” She told us how a girl can have an orgasm without penetration, and taught us that oral sex was a much safer and more acceptable than risking pregnancy and having intercourse. We learned about every form of birth control and how to get it. This is what our kids have been learning in public school for years… this was about 18 yrs ago.
 
I want to see the responses! I know what a smart-alec I would have been. 😛 They would have thought I was some poor kid who didn’t even have time to sleep or eat cause I was too busy having sex! Most people around the age of 11-13 will put down whatever sounds the funniest.
Although there are too many in this age group that have had sex and oral sex.
Kat
 
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