Patriarch Kirill strengths his position within the Orthodox Church and casts his eye towards Rome

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GaryTaylor said:
Or visa-versa. Perhaps it depends where you sit.

I keep hearing about the meeting between Pope Benedict and Partiarch Kirill being a priority. Whats the issue that its actually not happening?

I watched Assisi and Pope Benedict and Partriarch Barth. I didn’t see Patriarch Kirill their. How free is he to move about the world? I’ve never seen such issues with Red-Tape in history.

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Exactly. The fact that the Moscow Patriarch is unwilling to set aside time to meet with Pope Benedict says alot. It shows that he puts his political aspirations first. Love should be unconditional.
 
jam070406 said:
Exactly. The fact that the Moscow Patriarch is unwilling to set aside time to meet with Pope Benedict says alot. It shows that he puts his political aspirations first. Love should be unconditional.
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Which is why the Pope should not insist on universal jurisdiction. That is probably the one pre-set condition more than any other that blocks all progress. (It is frankly an insult of high order, and the Pope of Rome is a walking billboard of it.) That the Orthodox are willing to dialog at all, and exchange greetings and letters is an indication of restraint and brotherly love.

Perhaps one can not easily understand that from a Roman Catholic perspective.

Anyway, the Patriarch has not been in place for very long, and for many years he was widely regarded as an ecumenist in his own church. He in fact is on quite good terms with other Christian leaders, and I am pretty sure he already knows the Pope of Rome Benedict from that capacity.

I think many people are probably conflating the long reign of his predecessor His Beatitude Alexy [Memory Eternal!] with his and thinking of it as the same person. I believe I am correct when I state that His Beatitude has already publicly expressed a desire to work with the Papacy on a number of important social concerns, with mutual respect. Much can be accomplished.
 
Hesychios said:
Which is why the Pope should not insist on universal jurisdiction. That is probably the one pre-set condition more than any other that blocks all progress. (It is frankly an insult of high order, and the Pope of Rome is a walking billboard of it.) That the Orthodox are willing to dialog at all, and exchange greetings and letters is an indication of restraint and brotherly love.

Perhaps one can not easily understand that from a Roman Catholic perspective.

Anyway, the Patriarch has not been in place for very long, and for many years he was widely regarded as an ecumenist in his own church. He in fact is on quite good terms with other Christian leaders, and I am pretty sure he already knows the Pope of Rome Benedict from that capacity.

I think many people are probably conflating the long reign of his predecessor His Beatitude Alexy [Memory Eternal!] with his and thinking of it as the same person. I believe I am correct when I state that His Beatitude has already publicly expressed a desire to work with the Papacy on a number of important social concerns, with mutual respect. Much can be accomplished.
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Thy will be done.

Let them get together in humility and work it out. Or should I say let the Holy Spirit work it out. 🙂
 
Which is why the Pope should not insist on universal jurisdiction. That is probably the one pre-set condition more than any other that blocks all progress. (It is frankly an insult of high order, and the Pope of Rome is a walking billboard of it.)
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Some orthodox, especially the Russians, appear to have an immense chip on their shoulder. They act as if the Russian church, who have no ties to the most preeminent apostles Sts. Peter and Paul, let alone any apostle, are above recognizing any legitimacy of the traditions of the catholic church. And that we should be thankful the Moscow Patriarch has the charity to even consider meeting with the pope.

It’s ridiculous considering the petty differences that separate us and that we are both under attack from Islam and moral relativism/secularism. These divisions are scandalous and an impediment to our shared mission in evangelizing the world.
 
Cavaradossi said:
And in what way is the Orthodox Church disunified? I would say that Rome offers homogeneity more than unity, and the two are very different concepts.
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In what way is Rome homogeneic? There are dozens of co-equal Rites within the Catholic Church. There are actually dozens in the western Church alone.
 
Pork_Roll said:
Some orthodox, especially the Russians, appear to have an immense chip on their shoulder. They act as if the Russian church, who have no ties to the most preeminent apostles Sts. Peter and Paul, let alone any apostle, are above recognizing any legitimacy of the traditions of the catholic church. And that we should be thankful the Moscow Patriarch has the charity to even consider meeting with the pope.

It’s ridiculous considering the petty differences that separate us and that we are both under attack from Islam and moral relativism/secularism. These divisions are scandalous and an impediment to our shared mission in evangelizing the world.
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You have to understand that in Orthodoxy there is as much clout given to the size of a Patriarchate as there is to an ancient Apostolic See. Its just plain Byzantine!👍 So, since Moscow represents the largest number of Orthodox Faithful it tries to shore up its own primacy. As I’ve pointed out before, there is even strain among the Orthodox Patriarchs of Constantinople and Moscow on this issue. Also, the view isn’t so much about having the charity top meet with the pope, its about defending Orthodoxy in the face of ecumenism. (This is a big deal for some of us.)

I can agree that there are some ridiculous petty differences. I am only trying to help others understand Moscow as I have had it explained to me, and what seems apparent is that Moscow may well, IMO take Constantinople’s place in the hearts of many if Constatinople goes aheas with unity without Moscow’s consent.

Pray for unity on God’s terms, not our own.

The sinner,
Josh
Most Holy Mother of God save us!
 
The_Rock said:
2 questions:
  1. Will the Pope soon visit Russia?
  2. Would Putin use force to regain Russian control in the Ukraine etc.?
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This all somewhat odd!! Do Americans know where is Mordovia or Dagestan?? Why do you care if there is a bishop or not a bishop in such places?? What has this to do with Ukraina?? and Ukrainian Catolics and Roman Bishop?? Nothing?? Putin like many in Russia, Ukraina, Belarus, Armenia, Kazakhstan wants to have economic prosperity - this comes by cooperation between these countries, not by hatred!! Why is this bad?? You want friendly governments too along america borders, Putin wants his neighbors should be friendly - this is political problem for Russia and Ukraina and each country, not for Bishop of Rome!!

How do you make such ideas!!
 
Pork_Roll said:
Some orthodox, especially the Russians, appear to have an immense chip on their shoulder. They act as if the Russian church, who have no ties to the most preeminent apostles Sts. Peter and Paul, let alone any apostle, are above recognizing any legitimacy of the traditions of the catholic church. And that we should be thankful the Moscow Patriarch has the charity to even consider meeting with the pope.

It’s ridiculous considering the petty differences that separate us and that we are both under attack from Islam and moral relativism/secularism. These divisions are scandalous and an impediment to our shared mission in evangelizing the world.
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But Andrei first called preached along the Dnipro!! Bishop of Rome Martin is martyr in Krim!! Connection to Apostls and to Roman church
 
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