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Just quickly…If Peter was the first pope as commaned by Christ, why was he rebuked and corrected by Paul in Antioch? wouldnt this go against the Church dogma?, since the Pope is infallible?

Also Paul wrote more than any person in the NT? Why didnt Peter write more? or if he did why wasnt it included?

I understand that the Vatican has alot of material hidden and some of it we may never see, I was just wondering…
 
Just quickly…If Peter was the first pope as commaned by Christ, why was he rebuked and corrected by Paul in Antioch? wouldnt this go against the Church dogma?, since the Pope is infallible?

Also Paul wrote more than any person in the NT? Why didnt Peter write more? or if he did why wasnt it included?

I understand that the Vatican has alot of material hidden and some of it we may never see, I was just wondering…
First if all, you’ve misunderstood papal infallibility catholic.com/library/Papal_Infallibility.asp
Peter was rebuked by Paul for being a hypocrite. Being pope doesn’t mean you can’t do anything wrong or make a mistake.
Paul wrote letters to the far flung communities he founded and many were kept, Peter’s ministry was different.
 
Just quickly…If Peter was the first pope as commaned by Christ, why was he rebuked and corrected by Paul in Antioch?
Because Peter needed to be rebuked based on his conduct. Paul’s rebuke had nothing to with doctrine.
wouldnt this go against the Church dogma?, since the Pope is infallible?
No. The Pope’s infallibility does not extend beyond doctrine on faith and morals. Perhaps you are confusing infallibility with impeccability.
Also Paul wrote more than any person in the NT? Why didnt Peter write more? or if he did why wasnt it included?
Christ’s command was not to write books and letters. It was to preach and teach and administer the Church as the shepherds of the flock (administration, sacraments, etc).

The Holy Spirit guided the canon of Scripture. Whatever other writings of Peter’s there may or may not have been were not inspired scripture necessary for inclusion. Just as Paul’s at least one other known letter to the Corinthians also has not come down to us.
I understand that the Vatican has alot of material hidden and some of it we may never see, I was just wondering…
The Vatican isn’t hiding anything.
 
Just quickly…If Peter was the first pope as commaned by Christ, why was he rebuked and corrected by Paul in Antioch? wouldnt this go against the Church dogma?, since the Pope is infallible?

Also Paul wrote more than any person in the NT? Why didnt Peter write more? or if he did why wasnt it included?

I understand that the Vatican has alot of material hidden and some of it we may never see, I was just wondering…
The rebuke of Paul means that having authority does not mean one is above reproof.

But here Paul stands face to face with Peter and accuses him of a moral fault. Peter had taught rightly of the equality of the Gentiles but drew back from keeping company with them.

So Paul demonstrates a sort of refreshing honesty with Peter here. He acknowledges Peter’s authority but also respects Peter enough as a man to speak with him directly and clearly, to his face, and not behind his back.

From paul’s example, we show a far greater respect for authority by speaking clearly and directly to those in authority, and with doing it with charity and love.
 
Just quickly…If Peter was the first pope as commaned by Christ, why was he rebuked and corrected by Paul in Antioch? wouldnt this go against the Church dogma?, since the Pope is infallible?
On Peter, Paul and Hypocrisy

In their effort to deny the primacy of Peter and the doctrine of papal infallibility, many non-Catholics point to Paul’s rebuke of Peter over the issue of eating with Gentiles as recorded in the Paul’s Letter to the Galatians.****

Galatians 2:11-14
11When Peter came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he was clearly in the wrong. 12Before certain men came from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles. But when they arrived, he began to draw back and separate himself from the Gentiles because he was afraid of those who belonged to the circumcision group. 13The other Jews joined him in his hypocrisy, so that by their hypocrisy even Barnabas was led astray. 14When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter in front of them all, "You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then, that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs?

In this passage, we see that Paul opposed Peter for not practicing what he preached. Although Peter may have been wrong to draw back from eating with the Gentile believers, we must note that is apparently James, and not Peter, who was the leader of the “circumcision group” in Jerusalem. Thus, those who assert that it was James, and not Peter, who was the real leader of the Church must answer for this error. However, Peter’s actions do not constitute formal teaching, and the doctrine of infallibility does not apply to Peter’s private opinions or behavior. Therefore, this passage does nothing to disprove either Peter’s primacy or the doctrine of papal infallibility. Peter, like his successors, was not above reproach nor impeccable.

However, it must also be noted that Paul was not above taking prudent measures out of fear of those who held to the tradition of circumcision, either. One such measure is found in the following passage:

Acts 16:1-3
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He came to Derbe and then to Lystra, where a disciple named Timothy lived, whose mother was a Jewess and a believer, but whose father was a Greek. 2The brothers at Lystra and Iconium spoke well of him. 3Paul wanted to take him along on the journey, so he circumcised him because of the Jews who lived in that area, for they all knew that his father was a Greek.

Paul wrote that “circumcision means nothing” (1 Corinthians 7:19, Galatians 6:15). Moreover, in the same letter in which Paul accused Peter of hypocrisy and boasted of having opposed Peter to his face, he writes the following:

Galatians 5:2-3
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Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all. 3Again I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law.

Imagine how Timothy must have felt when he first heard these words. He had let himself be circumcised by the very man who condemned the practice. Was Christ of no value to Timothy at all as a result of being circumcised?

This was not the only time that Paul had acted out of fear of the Jews. Later in the book of Acts, we find the following:

Acts 21:17-26
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When we arrived at Jerusalem, the brothers received us warmly. 18The next day Paul and the rest of us went to see James, and all the elders were present. 19Paul greeted them and reported in detail what God had done among the Gentiles through his ministry. 20When they heard this, they praised God. Then they said to Paul: “You see, brother, how many thousands of Jews have believed, and all of them are zealous for the law. 21They have been informed that you teach all the Jews who live among the Gentiles to turn away from Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children or live according to our customs. 22What shall we do? They will certainly hear that you have come, 23so do what we tell you. There are four men with us who have made a vow. 24Take these men, join in their purification rites and pay their expenses, so that they can have their heads shaved. Then everybody will know there is no truth in these reports about you, but that you yourself are living in obedience to the law. 25As for the Gentile believers, we have written to them our decision that they should abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality.” 26The next day Paul took the men and purified himself along with them. Then he went to the temple to give notice of the date when the days of purification would end and the offering would be made for each of them.

Clearly, the brothers in Jerusalem were concerned that some harm might come to Paul from those who knew that Paul taught against circumcision. Paul agreed to purify himself according to Jewish customs and to pay the expenses of those who were purified along with him rather than openly admit that circumcision was of no value. Was this a wise course of action? Assuredly as subsequent events indicate.

However, it cannot be denied that Paul was preaching one thing (at least in private to Gentile Christians) while practicing another—the very thing he accused Peter of doing.
 
The Vatican isn’t hiding anything.
Many other sources(including Catholic) would say otherwise…Maybe hidden wasnt a proper word.

But the Vatican has a vault of material that only certain people are allowed to see…I think they call them the secret archives…But I believe it is only open to researchers now???And from my understanding only Catholic researchers???
 
Info on St. Paul:
A Pharisee of Pharisees
By Thomas Smith

St. Paul…was a tri-part person - a Jew (from the tribe of Benjamin and a member of the Pharisee movement), a Roman citizen raised in a Hellenized (Greek) culture, and a disciple of his Resurrected Rabbi, Jesus.
Although Christ reserved some of his harshest criticism in the Gospels for the Pharisees, he also encouraged obedience to their teaching, while challenging the hypocrisy of some.
In Matthew 23, Jesus highlights this fact, “practice and observe whatever they tell you, but not what they do; for they preach, but do not practice” (23:3).
And all Pharisees were not the enemy of Christ and his Church. In the Gospels, some Pharisees warned Jesus of Herod’s murderous plans (Luke 13:3), and one of the greatest Pharisees in history, Gamaliel, urged Jewish leaders not to persecute the followers of Christ (Acts 5:34).
St. Paul …decades after his conversion, when he proclaimed the Gospel before the Sanhedrin, he declared, “Brethren, I am a Pharisee, a son of Pharisees” (Acts 23:6, author’s emphasis). At the same time, the moment he met Christ on the Damascus Road, he would have to revisit everything he believed, and radically expand the boundaries of his belief. I believe this is why he went to Arabia (possibly even Mt. Sinai), to re-orient his ideas about the God of Israel (not unlike Moses and Elijah).
After meeting the Resurrected Christ, the Pharisee of Pharisees would spend most of his energies converting the Gentiles, yet this was not inconsistent with his Jewish heritage. The Old Testament prophets spoke of a light to the Gentiles (Isa. 42:6), language that the Lord will use of his servant Paul (Acts 13:47).
Pharisaism, in general, was consistent with the revelation in Christ, by preaching the resurrection of the dead (something the Sadducees rejected), and Paul’s writings, although influenced by Greek rhetoric, also show his knowledge of Jewish hermeneutics and halakah.
One of the ways Pharisees did become problematic is by creating “fences” around the Law.
Pharisees recognized that the Jewish people were still under a kind of Exile. Although they had returned to the land, they were still under foreign occupation - a curse reserved for those who had broken covenant with God. The Pharisees believed that the only way to lift this occupation was by absolute holiness and obedience to the Law. Fearing that an average Jew may break a single commandment of the Mosaic Law, they created many additional laws around a single law (like a fence) to reduce the possibility of disobedience to God’s Torah.
Unfortunately, this multiplication of laws became a burden. This is precisely Jesus’ critique of them in Matthew’s Gospel (Matthew 23:4). A Rabbi or teacher’s “yoke” was his interpretation of Torah. The Pharisees yoke became impossible to bear, and Jesus did not hesitate to challenge their approach and to offer a different interpretation of Torah that could bring life (Matt. 11:29).
 
Many other sources(including Catholic) would say otherwise…Maybe hidden wasnt a proper word.

But the Vatican has a vault of material that only certain people are allowed to see…I think they call them the secret archives…But I believe it is only open to researchers now???And from my understanding only Catholic researchers???
Here’s a link to them…go look around for yourself:

vatican.va/library_archives/vat_secret_archives/index.htm
 
The word “secret” in the title “Vatican Secret Archives” does not have the modern meaning: it indicates instead that the archives are the Pope’s own, not those of a department of the Roman Curia. The word “secret” was used in this sense also in phrases such as “secret servants”, “secret cupbearer”, “secret carver”.[3]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vatican_Secret_Archives
 
The Vatican Secret Archives (and yes, secret means “private” in this connotation, just like a secretary is someone who deals with private, confidential, or proprietary info).

Any researcher can apply for credentials to do research in the Secret Archives or the Vatican Library. Whether or not you can research what you want, depends on what it is. This is common in rare books and archives departments everywhere: in universities, government departments, and corporations.

First off, in any archive, they may not have fully accessioned whatever it is. Archives tend to be dumping grounds for a lot of people’s stuff: papers, letters, books, toys, ribbons, whatever they can stuff into a box. Archives get all this stuff left to them when an office is cleaned out or somebody dies, or when the filing gets old enough. But archives generally have very small staffs and very small budgets. So archives are always behind in accessioning and listing what they’ve got. The Vatican Archives are about two hundred years behind, thanks to Napoleon messing up their filing and then a couple of World Wars and a fire. They literally don’t know what they’ve got or where it all is. And then when you find it, you usually have to do something with it to prevent the papers falling apart, or to clean off dirt (or God forbid, mold).

Second, in any archive, some of the stuff you’ve got is still confidential. If it’s something about ongoing policy, or people who used to work there who are still alive, or anything anybody had a paranoid attack for no reason – WHAM! They put a hold on it for a hundred years. (Sometimes the donors don’t even let you look at it to file it. Better hope nobody dropped something in the donation box that will rot or spoil or turn to dust.) All archives folks hate this, but nobody will give stuff to archives without that sort of control freak control power. Sooooo, researchers have to hope they aren’t asking about something that somebody somewhere once thought was sensitive or personal.

Other than that, the Vatican Archives, like most archives, seem to be a pretty reasonable place to do research. Here’s their website. Here’s their researcher regs. If you look on the sidebar under “Downloads” next to the researcher regs, you can see their form for requesting photocopies (which anyone can submit from home, if you send postage and copy money). Again, all this is pretty standard for any closed-stack research library or archive. Nothing scary or weird here.

If you’re interested, Barnes and Noble’s press has an inexpensive book called The Secret Archives of the Vatican, by Maria Louisa Ambrosini. It’s a good cheap read and seems pretty reliable, even if the cover has a silly CONSPIRACY THEORY look. Since I worked in a university archive when I was doing work/study, I got a lot out of it. 🙂

There’s also a coffee table photo book which shows what it’s like “back in the stacks”, called The Vatican Secret Archives. I haven’t read this one, but it looks like a lot of fun if you like baroque architecture and shelves of red taped-boxes or people’s letters bound into books. 🙂
 
… Paul wrote more than any person in the NT? Why didnt Peter write more? or if he did why wasnt it included?
In short, St. Paul’s ministry was to the Gentiles - althou he was a Pharisee trained by the Jewish Rabbi Gamaliel.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamaliel
Gamaliel the Elder (English pronunciation: /ɡəˈmeɪljəl/),[1] or Rabbi Gamaliel I (גמליאל הזקן; Greek: Γαμαλιήλ ο Πρεσβύτερος), was a leading authority in the Sanhedrin in the mid 1st century CE.
He was the grandson of the great Jewish teacher Hillel the Elder, and died twenty years before the destruction of the Second Temple in Jerusalem (70 CE).
He fathered a son, whom he called Simeon, after his father,[2] and a daughter, whose daughter (i.e., Gamaliel’s granddaughter) married a priest named Simon ben Nathanael.[3]
The name Gamaliel is the Greek form of the Hebrew name meaning reward of God.
In the Christian tradition, Gamaliel is celebrated as a Pharisee doctor of Jewish Law, who was the teacher of Paul the Apostle.[4] The Book of Acts portrays Gamaliel as a man of great respect.[5]
 
The Vatican isn’t hiding anything.
This may not be 100% correct. The Vatican is not intentially witholding anything but the vatican does have a huge archive of documents many extremely rare and extremely old. Many of these books and manuscripts have not been examined.
The archive is open but only to those with legitimate reason to be there for study etc.

So - While the Vatican isn’t hiding anything, there could be some very interesting things hiding there.

All that said, there is zero chance that there are original “unpublished” works of Peter contained there.

Peace
James
 
Just quickly…If Peter was the first pope as commaned by Christ, why was he rebuked and corrected by Paul in Antioch? wouldnt this go against the Church dogma?, since the Pope is infallible?
infallible yes, when teaching on faith and morals, …impeccable, no.

Regarding Paul’s rebuke of Peter [Gal 2], St Jerome had a discussion with Augustine on this, read ch’s 3-4. newadvent.org/fathers/1102075.htm
 
Many other sources(including Catholic) would say otherwise…Maybe hidden wasnt a proper word.

But the Vatican has a vault of material that only certain people are allowed to see…I think they call them the secret archives…But I believe it is only open to researchers now???And from my understanding only Catholic researchers???
No. It is open to anyone, with the proper credentials. It is because there are documents that are so old, great care should be taken.

The Vatican tightened access because there was one case (which I read), where a researcher took pages out of a book, hid them and took them out of the Vatican library. The Vatican only later found out. So, the tight security.
 
Also Paul wrote more than any person in the NT? Why didn’t Peter write more? or if he did why wasn’t it included?
Like others have said in this post, Paul had a lot more education then Peter. Peter was a fisherman and Paul was trained by one of the greatest Jewish intellectuals in the world. So Paul was very familiar with writing, debating, history, etc… So it makes sense why Paul wrote so much. It doesn’t make Paul better then Peter, it just shows the different way people helped build the Church.
 
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