Paul VI to be beatified at conclusion of synod

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Weejee said:
I read this a while back, in 2006. They declared a unrepentant drunkard a saint. I’ll have to look and see who did that. It might have been back in the “Santo Subito” days, which means a super long time ago, like in the 400’s.

Are canonizations ex-cathedra?:confused:
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According to the articles I have read, the judgement of the Pope concerning a canonization is considered infallible, but not in the sense of infallibility as defined by the First Vatican Council. This rather complicated article from New Advent explains it well, but it needs careful reading if one is just a layman like me. However, the idea of the Pope’s decision for canonization being infallible goes very far back. What the Pope decrees is that the person is in heaven.

In the early days of the Church, Saints were often declared by popular acclaim, not decreed by the Pope, so no process like what we have today was involved.

There are probably others more educated on this subject that can comment. I certainly am no theologian.
 
CB_Catholic said:
According to the articles I have read, the judgement of the Pope concerning a canonization is considered infallible, but not in the sense of infallibility as defined by the First Vatican Council. This rather complicated article from New Advent explains it well, but it needs careful reading if one is just a layman like me.
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This sounds interesting. By any chance, do you have a link to the article. I’d appreciate it. Thanks!😉
 
RosslynV said:
There have been only two popes made saints during the period 1566-1958, almost 400 years. So now there’s been 3 popes (Paul 6 soon) canonized as saints in the past 50 years. Either the pre- conciliar popes were lacking in virtue or perhaps the process to sainthood is now less restrictive. Or maybe no one prays to older popes for miracles.
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Don’t forget that almost every pope from the first 5 centuries of the Church is a saint, and they are pre-conciliar popes too. We should feel blessed that we live in a time when the popes are more accessible to the lay faithful and their lives are well documented. Also, remember that canonization is just the affirmation that they are in heaven. There may be more pope saints that just have not been declared.
 
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CB_Catholic said:
Let’s get this straight–you are saying that some Pope, (whoever might be in office at the time) who holds the keys of Peter and has the power to bind and loose, actually made a mistake in canonizing some individual? According to whom?

This is not Church teaching. Canonizations are seen as infallible. If a Pope has canonized someone, they are in heaven, period. Not up for personal opinion.

Beatification, however is a different matter. But if the Holy Spirit leads a Pope to declare a person a canonized Saint, there is no mistake.

There are plenty of articles on the internet dealing with this. Look it up.
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It is not “Church teaching” that canonizations are certainly infallible, as far as I’m aware, though as you say it is the common opinion of theologians. Benedict XIV, for instance, seemed to be of the opinion that their infallibility was still an open question and denied that people who question a canonization after the fact are heretical (he used, instead, the word “temerarious” to describe them – which I think is fitting).
 
sw85 said:
It is not “Church teaching” that canonizations are certainly infallible, as far as I’m aware, though as you say it is the common opinion of theologians. Benedict XIV, for instance, seemed to be of the opinion that their infallibility was still an open question and denied that people who question a canonization after the fact are heretical (he used, instead, the word “temerarious” to describe them – which I think is fitting).
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'Temerarious" means reckless, rash. Does that describe the people--or the last two canonizations. Hmmmm......:hmmm:
 
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I have always had a great love for Pope Paul. I was quite young when humanae vitae was published, but I felt awful about all the anger and vitriol aimed at this one man. Since then I have read quite a bit about him. Pope Paul had a deep sustaining faith and is an inspiring figure for anyone who must navigate through difficult times. That he is being beatified, gives me confidence that the church is in safe hands.
 
Origen52 said:
I have always had a great love for Pope Paul. I was quite young when humanae vitae was published, but I felt awful about all the anger and vitriol aimed at this one man. Since then I have read quite a bit about him. Pope Paul had a deep sustaining faith and is an inspiring figure for anyone who must navigate through difficult times. That he is being beatified, gives me confidence that the church is in safe hands.
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I’m also an admirer of Paul VI. His warnings about sexuality turned out to be extremely prophetic. He also had the thankless task on his hands of implementing Vatican II. I’m a big fan of some of his changes such as making the Divine Office much more within the reach of laity and the new Mass.

If anything, the vitriol he had to endure with patience certainly made him earn his beatification.
 
OraLabora said:
I’m also an admirer of Paul VI. His warnings about sexuality turned out to be extremely prophetic. He also had the thankless task on his hands of implementing Vatican II. I’m a big fan of some of his changes such as making the Divine Office much more within the reach of laity and the new Mass.

If anything, the vitriol he had to endure with patience certainly made him earn his beatification.
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Yes. Humanae Vitae does speak of much of what we see in many many families today.

Also, Pope Paul VI’s Apostolic letter issued motu proprio **{Apostolica sollicitudo} ** has relevance since there may not have been the current synod without it!
 
Weejee said:
In my humble opinon, yes.

Patience is one of the fruits of the Holy Spirit. Mistakes have been made with declaring saints before.

And if anyone is really a saint, they won’t give a rat’s tail about being canonized or not. They’ll be having too much JOY in heaven!🙂
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Like many do, I would say that the vision and accomplishments during John XXIII’s life was his first miracle. A second miracle occurred after his death… directly in line with the process.
 
Well, I don’t know about John XXIII, but I imagine a second miracle will roll in for Paul VI after he is beatified. Yaaaay!🙂
 
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