Paying for no immigration policy

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For those of you illegal-immigration experts who live outside of the state of Texas, I just wanted to clue you in on who is actually paying the costs for Donald Trump’s lack of a policy to handle things along the US-Mexico border.
The great state of Texas currently is being stuck with the bill to pay for the needs of illegals being detained along the border.
While the trump administration lauds what they are doing and talks about building a wall, they do not talk about who is paying for the care of the people being detained here.
 
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This shouldn’t be in the social justice sub forum. Perhaps casual discussion would be better.
 
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I am from Texas. What did you think of the president’s new immigration proposal?
 
I’m from the Great State of New Mexico, You are not the only one here with an understanding of events that are occurring.

The President can not act unilaterally in many cases, congress has not enabled legislation to ease the crisis as well, in fact, I’d say some downright fight any kind of action all the way down the line.

Congress has as much responsibility if not more. The president merely signs off on legislation.
 
Maybe Texas shouldn’t give 36 electoral votes to someone who keeps talking about building a wall along their southern border.
This shouldn’t be in the social justice sub forum. Perhaps casual discussion would be better.
I’m not a huge fan of the idea of these types of threads cluttering up Casual. I get that it doesn’t neatly fit into Social Justice or World News, but I think Casual is for, well, casual discussion, not to see the World News leftovers.
 
Well, wherever it ends up, social justice isn’t a good spot. There is no question or even a statement regarding apologetics or catholic social justice. The OP just wants to complain about Trump and thumb his nose at people who support the president.

It also can’t be in world news because there is no associated article.

There really isn’t anywhere else for it.
 
Yeah, I get it. I was just voicing a bit of concern with the setup that requires this.

Personally, I think it would just be better to have a clearly labelled “politics” section that, like World News, doesn’t appear on the front page. Alternatively, threads like this might be closable for having no other intent than to push an agenda and/or be inflammatory.
 
Well, yeah. It’s been that way for years. You remember the other summer ago, when they were bussing all the kids up to DFW for the camps? But it’s getting really expensive as the numbers increase… This is a 2017 infographic that was the first one I grabbed.

California’s got a bigger burden, but according to a 2017 article, the States pay $89 billion collectively, and the federal gov’t covered $46 billion.

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Here’s a chart from US Customs & Border Protection re: the Southwest Border…

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Duh! Why do you think he is trying to stop
this invasion? I live in Arizona. If he doesn’t have an immigration policy it is not for trying.
The democrats block him every step of the way. If you want to get mad at someone, try
the democrats for promoting this travesty.
 
I am much more concerned with who pays for it. Whatever happens, the burden should not fall on Texas.
 
No all Texans support trump. Those of us who live here have a much better understanding of what is going on.
If trump can divert funds from other sources to build his idiotic wall, he can divert funs to help pay for the care of illegal immigrants who are being detained.
 
Social justice has much to do with the treatment of those coming into this country.
 
This is total malarky. The president has done little other than photo opts and talked about his stupid wall.
We need a comprehensive plan. Not just political hate rhetoric.
 
We need a comprehensive plan.
So, what are your opinions about the plan that was presented on Friday?

With the current policy in place, the immigrants are the ones who are choosing who gets in next.

With the current plan that’s presented, it’s merit-based. The companies in America are the ones who have more influence over who gets in.

The immigration system has needed revamping for decades, I agree. It’s broken, and it’s been broken for a long time. But a lot of the current concerns aren’t about immigrants, per se, but more about the illegal immigrants who decide to bypass the system and come any way they can. I’m all about making people follow the rules and do what’s necessary— but I don’t object at all to revamping the rules into a better/clearer/faster/cleaner system. That’s what legislators are for.
 
First and foremost, I would like to see Donald Trump take care of those people who are being detained along the border. It should not be up to the people of Texas, New Mexico, Arizona and California to pay for their needs.
At this point, it is not so much about who gets to stay and who does not get to stay as much as it is about taking care of the needs of all, which the decision of who stays and who does not is decided by immigration judges on a case by case basis.
 
Do you not remember Arizona v. the United States, where the feds weren’t enforcing imm. policy, or were only selectively enforcing it. So AZ set up their state bill that was a duplicate of federal law, to allow their state LEOs to do ICE’s job that wasn’t been done. And everyone yelled “You’re racist, AZ!” and it went to court. The state’s argument was that states ought to have the authority to concurrently enforce current federal imm. laws. The fed’s argument was that states don’t have the authority to adopt local imm. laws, even if they merely duplicate the laws at the federal level.

Texas, Florida, Alabama, Michigan, Nebraska, Pennsylvania, and some other states filed amicus briefs to support Arizona. (Interestingly, neither California nor New Mexico did. CA, I understand-- but I didn’t catch what’s up in NM.) Mexico, El Salvador, Guatemala, Colombia, Nicaragua, and a few other South American/Central American countries all filed amicus briefs in support of the United States. (Surprise!)

It went all the way to the Supreme Court. Ultimately, they struck down three of the four components of the bill. Kennedy wrote for the majority (Roberts/Ginsburg/Sotomayor/Breyer).

Scalia dissented because he thought that it was an exercise in states’ sovereignty-- AZ was allowed to exclude anyone from their state who wasn’t allowed by the Constitution or by Congress. He cited a few early immigration Supreme Court cases to support his argument-- Mayor of New York v Miln, for example, which was where the Court considered a statute that required ships coming into port to disclose the name/birthplace/former home/age/occupation of all passengers who had the intention of coming into New York. And the SC at that time said, yeah, NY was able to pass this law at the Founding, so just because they joined the US doesn’t mean they lost their own power over their own territory within the US; and even if the law hadn’t been in place at the Founding, doesn’t mean that they lost that power just because they joined.

Thomas dissented, but on the ground that the law didn’t contradict anything in fed law, so we didn’t have to worry about preemption doctrine coming into play.

Alito joined with the majority on part (registration provisions), but dissented in part (citing De Canas v Bica as an example of the SC upholding state interests/authority in employment regs).

However— although it seemed like another fed power overreach, it was actually kind of funny, because here CA is recently, trying to exercise all of its state sovereignty in how it wants to deal with immigration… and the administration has changed, and has a different approach to immigration than the last one. And by being political, the SC went ahead and set a very recent precedent that basically tells California, “Sorry, CA, you’re out of luck… you gotta cooperate with fed law, because, you know, border regulation and imm. law is a federal thing, not something the states need to interfere with. You just need to do what you’re told and let us do our job…” 😉
 
Immigration is a federal government’s problem, not a state’s problem.
Trump should not expect border state’s to pick up the tab for his failing immigration policy.
People are fleeing their native countries to come to America, not to the state’s of Texas, New Mexico, Arizona and California.
 
Indeed. I was merely pointing out that just 10 years ago, the states were not only required to foot the bill, but the feds weren’t even doing their jobs, and when the states tried to compensate for it to minimize the impact within their own borders, the feds said, “No, you can’t do that-- that’s our territory” and got the SC to say, “Yeah, yeah, what the fed said.”

So, we’re moving in the right direction with our immigration policy, is the point I was trying to make.

Because the phrases you’re using indicate that you didn’t have a problem with our (failing, racist) immigration policy prior to January 21 of 2017. But the policy we’re under right now has been in place since 1965/1990.
 
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