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LDNCatholic
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Agreed. Imperialistic countries owe their wealth to their colonies and have a duty to ensure the wellbeing of the descendants of the people who helped make their country rich.
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R_not
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Well, and this is why no one can discuss with muslims. The denial of what really is happening - unless they think that the skyrocketing crimes against non-muslims by muslims is ‘living by the laws of the land’ and the areas where muslims live are so dangerous that non-muslim police cannot enter - is ok.
Or is this just more new definitions of words so as to confuse the issue?
I really do think that pamphlets should be given to muslims to give them the definitions of words so they don’t ‘redefine’ them. Here is my partial list, and it grows:
peace - death, conversion or subjugation (dhimmittude) for infidels
**peace treaty **- can only last for 10 years and is to be broken at anytime when the muslims are rearmed/regrouped
aggressor - only infidels are aggressors. Any actions (violent) by muslims is their right per the koran
oppressor - only infidels are oppressors if they do not allow themselves to be subjugated by muslims/sharia law
(modern day) Crusader, or islamophobes - Christians who figured out what islam is all about and are telling others the facts of islam
honor - following the koran’s teaching on this - and if it includes beating, raping, stoning, hanging, enslavement, - that is ok - it is what the koran says to do and it is considered an honor for women to endure these actions.
Innocent - only muslims are innocent. No infidel is considered to be innocent.
Attack - no infidel is to attack a muslim. If/when they do such an arrogant thing then no matter what muslims have done, are doing, to them - they attack first.
deportation - sending out their saudi trained jihadists.
persecution - us not letting them practice their ‘religion’ and subjugate or kill us. us telling the truth about islam and us telling them to keep their ‘religion’ to themselves and stop pushing it down our throats.
martyr - those who die while trying to kill non-muslims
Gang raping European women = Pious defenders of Islamic modesty.
Killing western civilians, including women and children = freedom fighters
I will add a new phrase:
**‘living by the laws of the land’ ** - crimes against non-muslims are ok, and the areas where muslims live are so dangerous that non-muslim police cannot enter is ok too.
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Kaninchen
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Well, you’ve got to admit it, they’re not a patch on Europeans when it comes to annihilation - pure amateurs.
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MelanieAnne
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Indeed. Afterall, if you can only manage to knock off 3 or 4 thousand innocent people at a time, you’ve got a long way to go to reach multiple millions! Practice, practice, practice!!
I suppose the “upside”, if there is one, is that someday there will be a holocaust bigger than the European one, a holocaust that displaces it in history as “the big one”. Of course, there actually HAVE been such genocides, but since they weren’t European, they didn’t count. I guess we’ll have to wait for the “real” one.
Pathetic, isn’t it, that anyone would set, as a lifetime goal, killing more people than some previous killer. More pathetic is that little attention is paid unless MORE people are killed ~ as if the statistics are the only things that are important.
In California this year, at Christmas, a wacked out crazy man killed a number of the adults in the family of his divorced wife. This was to punish her for leaving him, even though he turned out to be a rather unsavory sort. The statistics are small, perhaps irrelevant, but in the process of murdering 9 adults, over a dozen children were left either as orphans or with only one parent as a result. It’s not an intellectual exercise or statistics to THEM. In the meantime, divorced men are actually SUPPORTING the murderer. “They can understand”. They can understand that it is OK to murder an entire family?
There’s something wrong when we reduce murder to a contest of statistics. When you kill a person, you kill an entire world. And for some crazy reason, the murders are often done by one “child of Abraham” against another. At least those are the ones that make the news. When will it STOP? If we all worship the same God, shouldn’t we, at least, stop killing eachother in His name?
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R_not
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You are comparing islamic jihad with Europeans? Is that what you are saying?
If you are then here is a good site for that:
site on the history of jihad
If you are not, then just let me know.
I do believe that the Germans, and anyone else, has a right to their own laws and their own ways without others telling them that they cannot go into parts of their land because they are in danger due to them not being of a certain religion. The muslims certainly demand that from the non-muslim population - that they be allowed in the non-muslim areas without worry of crimes against them.
Unfortunately, we keep ignoring the fact that that the STATED goals of the muslims in the West is to replace our (Europe, USA, Canada, etc) laws with sharia laws and to not necessarily convert/kill us but to subjugate us. They have found docs from the muslim brotherhood (affiliated with the wahabbis, al Qaeda, hamas, MSA, etc), in both Europe and the USA that state this purpose. And there have been many noted clerics who say it all the time. With saudi arabia having exported their wahabbi clerics into our mosques, and give money to our Universities (who equate jihad with yoga - useful Idiots).
Right now we are dealing with sharia laws in our own financial institutions (well, a few of them) which should give us alarm. Sharia laws is an unequal division of people under the law. Hugging sharia finance at the Fed
Of course, muslims will act like it is a big nothing - and if it is a big nothing why can’t they abide by the rules of our current financial laws? they come here for, they say, for economic reasons and then they want to change our laws to what their previous 3rd world junk holes have? This doesn’t make sense, if one were to believe they migrated here for purely peaceful, benign, economic, etc reasons.
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Kaninchen
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I’ve already apologized for ruining the mood of the thread but, when somebody regularly lists the crimes of Muslims, one really ought to be able to point out that Europeans really do have one area sort of cornered.
What with things like the Shoah and the ‘Liquidation of the Kulaks as a class’ it’ll take some beating.
I know that one really ought not ruin the fun and flow of ‘Muslims are very, very, very naughty’ threads but, it’s a slow day.
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Kaninchen
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Hey, I was just having fun before the endless Jihadwatch lists mounted up and the usual nonsense of ‘Muslims breeding for victory’.
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R_not
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Yes, we should stop killing but when you have a koran that tells them to keep it up in order to attain heaven - how do you change that? They certainly are not doing it except when they tell us that those surahs don’t mean that!Indeed. Afterall, if you can only manage to knock off 3 or 4 thousand innocent people at a time, you’ve got a long way to go to reach multiple millions! Practice, practice, practice!!
I suppose the “upside”, if there is one, is that someday there will be a holocaust bigger than the European one, a holocaust that displaces it in history as “the big one”. Of course, there actually HAVE been such genocides, but since they weren’t European, they didn’t count. I guess we’ll have to wait for the “real” one.
Pathetic, isn’t it, that anyone would set, as a lifetime goal, killing more people than some previous killer. More pathetic is that little attention is paid unless MORE people are killed ~ as if the statistics are the only things that are important.
In California this year, at Christmas, a wacked out crazy man killed a number of the adults in the family of his divorced wife. This was to punish her for leaving him, even though he turned out to be a rather unsavory sort. The statistics are small, perhaps irrelevant, but in the process of murdering 9 adults, over a dozen children were left either as orphans or with only one parent as a result. It’s not an intellectual exercise or statistics to THEM. In the meantime, divorced men are actually SUPPORTING the murderer. “They can understand”. They can understand that it is OK to murder an entire family?
There’s something wrong when we reduce murder to a contest of statistics. When you kill a person, you kill an entire world. And for some crazy reason, the murders are often done by one “child of Abraham” against another. At least those are the ones that make the news. When will it STOP? If we all worship the same God, shouldn’t we, at least, stop killing eachother in His name?
They tell us it is a ‘peaceful, and cozy, blah blah blah’ but the actions of too many muslims around this globe speak differently. We just found about a dozen men guilty of trying to blow up men at fort Dix - and what do we get? ‘if we want to improve relations with the muslims we will not find them guilty, or do anything to them.’ WHAT?!!? Why do they think that the law doesn’t apply to them?!
Well, if we look deeper they do indeed feel that our ‘man made’ laws are inferior and that sharia laws should prevail. And they work towards that end. If they do prevail it means that their jihadists will indeed get off scott free since they are just doing the ‘will of allah’ and only the non-muslims are guilty if they do anything bad. And if muslims do anything against non-muslims - it is ok because non-muslims are lower than pigs, dogs and urine.
Besides the docs they found in Europe and the USA stating their goals of replacing our laws with sharia (The Project, and Government Exhibit 300-0085
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R_not
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yeah, I understand. The socialists in Europe don’t like to read anything that disturbs them. You don’t have to read them. I give them so as to prove the points - jihadwatch takes articles (and shows the websites) for those who want to follow them.
If you don’t read the koran and know its history of imperialism/jihad, then I understand. Blame the Christians, or better yet, blame the USA - or this one tops them all - blame Christians in the USA and make sure to include the Jews. I hope you are in a cafe and drinking coffee when you do that though. It would completely destroy my image of Europeans if you did not.
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Kaninchen
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My Goodness! You’re obviously an expert on all things European as well as all things Islamic.
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R_not
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Nope, I never said I was. In fact, my area of expertise has been in the IBM Mainframe, its operating systems, the vendor products that run on it and the peripherial devices attached to it. I also have a degree in Telecommunications Management which was very helpful since telecommunication devices, and services, are a major part in computing.
Since 9/11 I have read so many books I lost count, on islam. When I was in the military, we had muslims attack our guys (Beirut) and we also went through ‘terrorist’ training just before I left the USMC. My better half went to Saudi Arabia at one point in time and saw the beheading of a woman who didn’t have 4 witnesses to her rape, and saw a man get his hand cut off. And my German relatives tell me more than you would probably prefer that I know since it seems that you are bothered by me knowing some stuff.
But, I find it funny that people get bothered if I know something about islam. Why does that bother you?
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Kaninchen
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Experts on the ‘Muslim question’ rather remind me of experts on the ‘Jewish question’ telling the world of just why Jews were very, very, very naughty with our World Conspiracies and so forth.
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R_not
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Well, the difference being that Judaism does not have a track record of such violence while islam does. And if you want to bring Israel into this, then make sure you mention the daily bombings from muslims in the Gaza and Lebanon that are aimed into Israel. And the lack of NATO doing anything to prevent the buildup of arms into Lebanon, and the Saudis funding the Pal’s jihadist training in Pakistan. (read Walid Shoebat’s experiences since he is a Palestinian ex-muslim)
Anyway, we are dealing with a religion that tells its people that if they don’t want to fight they are to support those who do and here we got ‘muslim charities’. Our government shut down quite a number of them so far but I am sure they funnel the money in different ways. And we openly give to them via oil money and government welfare checks to some of the worst - the Saudis, Palestinians, the Pakistanis, the Egyptians, etc - who are all utter failures in human rights to all.
The only muslims that I find are more truthful are what they call themselves as ‘reformists’. I wrote this before and write it again - I still don’t know how they justify following such a creepy guy as mohammed though. He was not a nice guy, to say the least!
This one is an article from the UK which should bother a lot of people. I don’t know if it is true or not, but there is some truth to this since we have been finding a lot of problems in the muslims schools here too - and below some problems with some of the clerics and what they are preaching.
Exclusive: over 60 per cent of Britain’s Muslim schools have extremist links, says draft report
the following are some websites and videos that you don’t have to read or view. I am just giving them as reference.
Clerics telling Muslims to blow themselves up, slaughter the Jews like they did in 1929, etc.
Here we have articles about military trianing of muslim children in Lebanon;
Article 1
Article 2
islam is deception
Walid Shoebat Shoebat’s experiences with what he was taught in islam..
Select the program that says, Talking It Over, PART 1 December 13, 2008.
‘moderate’ Sheik yusuf Al-Qaradawi preaching jihad in America (and it ain’t that ‘inner struggle’ kind!)
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SimonArizona
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open your eyes
Saturday, October 28, 2006
**FRANCE ABLAZE WITH MUSLIM VIOLENCE **
France is still ablaze with Muslim violence, particularly in the suburbs of Paris, a full year after the story was reported in the American press. As I reported to you last week on The Liberty Sphere, the growing tide of violence at the hands of Muslim extremists in Europe may not be getting much attention in news outlets in the U.S. at present, but it is of great concern to European leaders.
Since the beginning of 2006, over 2,500 police officers have been injured in France alone. When the violence first erupted last year, Islamic Jihadists would usually confront police in small groups of two or three. Their main provocation was setting vehicles on fire along the streets. Today, when police respond to emergency calls, they are confronted by entire tower blocks of Muslim youths emptying into the streets. Within minutes hundreds of Muslims storm police vehicles, throwing rocks and firebombs.
According to the World Tribune, France’s huge and growing Muslim community has come under the influence of Al Qaeda operatives who pour money, ammunition, and equipment into these neighborhoods. Their tactic now is to place bogus emergency calls to police and then ambush the officers when they arrive on the scene.
These Muslim neighborhoods have become self-contained entities where police and other emergency personnel are afraid to go.
The French Interior Ministry is aware of the problem, but police officials say the problem is much worse than Paris is willing to acknowledge. Michel Thoomis, the head of the police union, is quoted in the Tribune as saying, ‘We are in a state of civil war, orchestrated by Islamic extremists. This is not a question of urban violence any more. It is an intifada, with stones and firebombs.’
The police union is demanding that the Interior Ministry provide them with armored vehicles–a request that so far has been ignored.
Although the growing Muslim mayhem has been under-reported in the press around the world, European leaders privately are worried that what is happening in France could be a model for other European countries, most notably Great Britain and the Netherlands.
The so-called ‘under-reporting’ of the news of these Islamic attacks actually constitutes a news blackout of sorts, arising from the political correctness that has so thoroughly inflicted western Europe. The result is a swelling torrent of Muslim violence, fanned by Al Qaeda, that has brought France to the brink of civil war.
No amount of cover-up, denial, or wishful thinking will make the problem go away. This demon must be confronted head-on while there is still time.
LATE BREAKING UPDATE!! In what local media describe as the work of ‘a group of youths,’ Amsterdam was hit Friday evening with an explosion of a bus. The explosive was made by combining common ingredients found in stores and pharmacies across the city. Pharmacy workers reported an unusual amount of these ingredients being sold to ‘youths’ prior to the attack.
As I have reported to you, the Netherlands is another target of Islamic Jihadists that have infiltrated Europe. In fact, Muslims have immigrated to the Netherlands over the past few years at a pace that exceeds that of France.
In light of what is happening in France, the question becomes, does this attack indicate that Amsterdam is next?
You may want to visit the following website for an eye-opening read–
atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com
The Atlas Shrugs blog is an excellent source of information on the global Islamic Jihad that you won’t find in the Press!
Saturday, October 28, 2006
**FRANCE ABLAZE WITH MUSLIM VIOLENCE **
France is still ablaze with Muslim violence, particularly in the suburbs of Paris, a full year after the story was reported in the American press. As I reported to you last week on The Liberty Sphere, the growing tide of violence at the hands of Muslim extremists in Europe may not be getting much attention in news outlets in the U.S. at present, but it is of great concern to European leaders.
Since the beginning of 2006, over 2,500 police officers have been injured in France alone. When the violence first erupted last year, Islamic Jihadists would usually confront police in small groups of two or three. Their main provocation was setting vehicles on fire along the streets. Today, when police respond to emergency calls, they are confronted by entire tower blocks of Muslim youths emptying into the streets. Within minutes hundreds of Muslims storm police vehicles, throwing rocks and firebombs.
According to the World Tribune, France’s huge and growing Muslim community has come under the influence of Al Qaeda operatives who pour money, ammunition, and equipment into these neighborhoods. Their tactic now is to place bogus emergency calls to police and then ambush the officers when they arrive on the scene.
These Muslim neighborhoods have become self-contained entities where police and other emergency personnel are afraid to go.
The French Interior Ministry is aware of the problem, but police officials say the problem is much worse than Paris is willing to acknowledge. Michel Thoomis, the head of the police union, is quoted in the Tribune as saying, ‘We are in a state of civil war, orchestrated by Islamic extremists. This is not a question of urban violence any more. It is an intifada, with stones and firebombs.’
The police union is demanding that the Interior Ministry provide them with armored vehicles–a request that so far has been ignored.
Although the growing Muslim mayhem has been under-reported in the press around the world, European leaders privately are worried that what is happening in France could be a model for other European countries, most notably Great Britain and the Netherlands.
The so-called ‘under-reporting’ of the news of these Islamic attacks actually constitutes a news blackout of sorts, arising from the political correctness that has so thoroughly inflicted western Europe. The result is a swelling torrent of Muslim violence, fanned by Al Qaeda, that has brought France to the brink of civil war.
No amount of cover-up, denial, or wishful thinking will make the problem go away. This demon must be confronted head-on while there is still time.
LATE BREAKING UPDATE!! In what local media describe as the work of ‘a group of youths,’ Amsterdam was hit Friday evening with an explosion of a bus. The explosive was made by combining common ingredients found in stores and pharmacies across the city. Pharmacy workers reported an unusual amount of these ingredients being sold to ‘youths’ prior to the attack.
As I have reported to you, the Netherlands is another target of Islamic Jihadists that have infiltrated Europe. In fact, Muslims have immigrated to the Netherlands over the past few years at a pace that exceeds that of France.
In light of what is happening in France, the question becomes, does this attack indicate that Amsterdam is next?
You may want to visit the following website for an eye-opening read–
atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com
The Atlas Shrugs blog is an excellent source of information on the global Islamic Jihad that you won’t find in the Press!
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Kaninchen
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My allusion wasn’t to supposed similarities in naughtiness of Jews and Muslims, my allusion was to the nature of the ‘experts’.
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Kaninchen
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One doesn’t have to be ‘friendly’ to Islam to see the whole ‘naughty, naughty, naughty Muslims’ thing as part of a set (add ‘JewWatch’ to your list, by the way - it was the original, it’s been around the net for many, many years), a pattern.
It’s a bit of a cliché to quote it now but it sums up my sentiments:
In Germany, they came first for the Communists,
And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist;
And then they came for the trade unionists,
And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a trade unionist;
And then they came for the Jews,
And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew;
And then . . . they came for me . . .
And by that time there was no one left to speak up.
It’s a bit of a cliché to quote it now but it sums up my sentiments:
In Germany, they came first for the Communists,
And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist;
And then they came for the trade unionists,
And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a trade unionist;
And then they came for the Jews,
And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew;
And then . . . they came for me . . .
And by that time there was no one left to speak up.
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R_not
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No one is stopping you from doing your own reading, in fact that is something that I highly recommend. Read for yourself.
I only post what I read and have learned about islam.
You trust people who are told to lie to infidels and make sure to make the infidels not understand their texts. Who are also taught that questioning the koran is worthy of sin, and even death in some countries - and infidels are not even to allowed to approach the idea of questioning islam.
We are in a rare moment of history when we have the tools to read and to question and this is why I recommend reading it all for yourself. If you want to censor yourself from jihadwatch - that is your loss. One of his writers, Hugh Fitzgerald is an excellent writer and goes against the grain quite often. He was against the Iraq war and - it took a few years - but he has convinced me in his wisdom that yes, it is futile to expect islam to conform to Democracty. In the end, I think it will be for nothing.
They should take a step back and realize that the shoe throwing incident would have resulted in that guy’s torture and death. That fellow who seems to know ahead of time where the next bomb is going to explode (/sarc).
I don’t know what to tell you other than READ READ READ for yourself. And if you want to harass me - go for it. I will just line you up with the rest of them who feel that bashing the me is being cool. I am not cool and don’t aspire to such a ‘mob mentality’ of who is cool and who is not. (it seems the ‘cool’ ones need that sort of adulation from the mobs, or masses) If you have a problem with the message than that, to me, is a better approach because it shows you are thinking. Bashing is not thinking, but just a way to try to win without having any knowledge.
So, I hope to see some better posts from you.
Have a Happy New Year too!
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R_not
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But, but… you bash those who speak up? Do you want it both ways?
I do like your thought, or poem, though because it rings of truth in it.
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rpp
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I can see the connection. Yes, it is true, there were a lot of Jews flying airplanes into buildings and walking into restaurants and buses to blow themselves up. And of course, the nation-wide riot by Jews that paralyzed Germany for a month. Oh yes, the parallels are quite close indeed.
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Kaninchen
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Indeed.
I think you might find it interesting, in fact it might be good for you in a personal sense, to take off a little time from studying the naughty, naughty, ways of naughty, naughty Muslims and look at the history of the development of antisemitism in Central Europe in the late 19th and early 20th Centuries. Not internet links but proper books.
You might enjoy the ‘language’ of ‘scientific’ antisemitism, the ‘discovery’ that there wasn’t any kind of bad event, any kind of crime, any kind of ill-doing that ‘the Jew’ wasn’t behind. Of how society was duped by the Jews and their secret world conspiracies of capitalism and socialism, how only those who studied ‘the Jew’ understood while everybody else, those who were indifferent to Jews, those who only didn’t like Jews very much were dupes of the Jews.
Be very careful who you mix with and what road you go down, it may be parallel to an old one.
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