People who say Gay Marriage isn't against the Bible

[coachkfan1]

Apparently Truefaith13 and Easterjoy have hijacked this topic with their debate over who should get credit for saying what.

 

[EasterJoy]

Honestly no worries…I was beginning to get confused there myself!

Sorry my response probably should have been clearer in what exactly I was referring to!

No problem!

There is actually a common thread running through the two threads, which has to do with reconciling our advocacy for moral law in the civil practice and law with the obvious truth that not everyone has the same viewpoint as we do. What parts of the truth can be seen from any vantage point, rather than only from the deist vantage point or only from the Roman Catholic one? What parts of the moral law ought to be binding on those both inside and outside of the Church? The questions of abortion and the official recognition of homosexual relationships both touch on that.

 

[His_helpmeet]

Just to throw in my 2 cents:

1. Dietary and clothing laws, again, are not MORAL laws. I suspect that the reason God instituted those rules was due to the living situation of the Israelites at that time. The prohibition against eating pork is a good example. If pork isn’t cooked properly, you can get serious parasitic infections from the meat. At the time the Law was given to Moses, the Israelites were living a nomadic lifestyle and probably didn’t have the greatest cooking facilities. People lived in close quarters, making it easy for diseases to spread rapidly. (This is likely where the law that “lepers” had to be outside the camp came from.) I’m not an expert on clothing, but I’m guessing the prohibition against certain fibers was, again, due to the fact that certain kinds of clothing wear better and last longer than others. Remember, they didn’t have the greatest washing facilities around either - and they couldn’t access much in the way of plants in the desert, so their supplies of flax and cotton would have been limited. When Jesus came, He said that all things were safe to eat (and the Church expanded this to include clothing, houses, etc.) because the people had a more stable existence. They were living in permanent dwellings and weren’t wandering from place to place. They likely had better cooking and laundry facilities. If your clothes wore out, it was easier to get new ones because, again, you were living in a stable environment where you could grow gardens and crops for food and clothing. If someone was sick, they could stay at home and they wouldn’t have to worry about infecting their neighbours.
2. Behaviour such as homosexuality, however, is covered by natural law. Again, natural law is the most basic moral code that exists - something that is so basic that not even God can change or dispense from it. Sexual intercourse is ordered towards the creation of new life and the coming of man and woman together in a representation of the Holy Trinity. In the case of naturally sterile heterosexual couples, the fact that they cannot reproduce is due to a flaw, not natural design. In the case of a homosexual couple, they can’t reproduce because of the design, not because of a flaw. Homosexual intercourse and relationships also carry other risks, such as disease and injury, and men in gay relationships are more likely to be abused.

 

[NSFrame]

That’s fine, I wasn’t relying to you…are people getting confused with posts today or what?

I’m just confused because I answered the question, and then you asked the exact same thing again as if no one had given an answer.

 

[holyrood]

In the end, you can’t out-lawyer God. You can’t really even break the moral law. All that happens is that you break yourself in trying to.

In the end, this is just it. There are so many people who have built a life on ‘outwitting’ others intellectually, proving 1+1=3, morally speaking, but all their clever talk means nothing when they come face to face with God.

I do have a friend who told me if God Himself came down and said, ‘homosexuality is wrong,’ he would tell God what’s what. This is the place our society has come to, where people will tell you flat out that they even know better than God Himself what’s right and wrong.