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DeepDeepTrouble3
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You have Religious Liberty, either way. If you believe you do, you do, or if you believe you don’t, you still have it that way too.
What do you think?
What do you think?
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DeepDeepTrouble3
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Will anyone please discuss this with me for a while?
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semper_catholicus
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If I recall correctly, you tried to discuss this before on the forums, didn’t you?
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It is a basic tenet of Christian belief. Faith cannot be imposed. If you do have it, it is a gift of GOD.
That too is a basic belief of Catholic teaching.
Now the liberty is at play even here, since it is a gift, one must willingly accept it. GOD will not force anyone. HE asks and we can still say no.
That too is a basic belief of Catholic teaching.
Now the liberty is at play even here, since it is a gift, one must willingly accept it. GOD will not force anyone. HE asks and we can still say no.
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DeepDeepTrouble3
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Thank you Jerry. I want to relate to people that this is the perfect understanding that I have been looking for. I have gone on 3 traditionalist forums, and have over 3000 views on the threads, and no one, no one, will admit that it is a basic tenet of Christian Religious belief. Thank you. That’s pretty much all I have been looking for, is someone who will say, yes Eli, Religious Liberty is philosophically necessary, it is a basic tenet of our Religion, it’s in the Catechism, it’s taught by the Church, and I will relate even MORE.
When I was discussing these things in my diocese in 2001, we asked the Priests how we could have liberty in our religious decisions, and they gave us how the answer on how everything we do is Religious, and everything we do is liberty. We asked for a little more history on that, and Bishop Doran came to our High School, which is a Catholic High School in Rockford, Illinois, and he said a few brief words, about it, and that’s it. We all accepted, and we got to hear history, of why the Church teaches it at this time, and we had to pay a small fee for him to check the archives in his diocese, and someday I might relate that story of how we have come to accept this doctrine in our Church, from the perspective of our Diocese, but not tonight. There were several events that happened, one in 1904, and another 1941, and if you ask old Priests, and give them enough money to jog their memory, or look in their journals for you, they will tell you, at least in my Diocese, that Religious Liberty is basically free will, applied to the words Religious Liberty.
Religious Liberty is easy, and no traditionalist on the three forums that I wrote on, was willing to admit that, basically, because all they are, is Religious Liberty anti, and then they blame in Pope Saint John XXIII. It has been frustrating.
Will anyone else admit that it is a basic tenet of our, and speak a little bit about it here, especially any Priests watching, or anyone else, please? Can anyone else speak up in favor of Religious Liberty, please? I am just hunting for a little good will, online, because we already have it in our diocese, as like, every one of you do too. Please say something, here. I’m telling you people, I have been posting about religious liberty for 3 weeks, and no one will admit it is true except here.
When I was discussing these things in my diocese in 2001, we asked the Priests how we could have liberty in our religious decisions, and they gave us how the answer on how everything we do is Religious, and everything we do is liberty. We asked for a little more history on that, and Bishop Doran came to our High School, which is a Catholic High School in Rockford, Illinois, and he said a few brief words, about it, and that’s it. We all accepted, and we got to hear history, of why the Church teaches it at this time, and we had to pay a small fee for him to check the archives in his diocese, and someday I might relate that story of how we have come to accept this doctrine in our Church, from the perspective of our Diocese, but not tonight. There were several events that happened, one in 1904, and another 1941, and if you ask old Priests, and give them enough money to jog their memory, or look in their journals for you, they will tell you, at least in my Diocese, that Religious Liberty is basically free will, applied to the words Religious Liberty.
Religious Liberty is easy, and no traditionalist on the three forums that I wrote on, was willing to admit that, basically, because all they are, is Religious Liberty anti, and then they blame in Pope Saint John XXIII. It has been frustrating.
Will anyone else admit that it is a basic tenet of our, and speak a little bit about it here, especially any Priests watching, or anyone else, please? Can anyone else speak up in favor of Religious Liberty, please? I am just hunting for a little good will, online, because we already have it in our diocese, as like, every one of you do too. Please say something, here. I’m telling you people, I have been posting about religious liberty for 3 weeks, and no one will admit it is true except here.
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One of our bigger problems is that these traditionalist own a lot of relevancy on google, because its really easy for people to get online and say, well, I now have something against the Church, and it seems substantial enough somehow, and like, strongly believe it’s affected like millions of of people, maybe even more than that, at least in some way.
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DeepDeepTrouble3
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All of our friends got together, and I talked about Doctrines in the Catechism, and we had questions, and we asked them to our Priests. That’s what the adults did. For one Priest on our diocese, we have him 400 for him to look in one of his journals, and then he upped it 379 dollars more after he looked. And then, some parents got together and had a meeting about several of the questions, and we petitioned the Bishop for a little history, just like, of what happened regarding what we know in this diocese with the doctrines surrounding Religious Liberty, and Bishop Doran said things like, “what surrounding? It’s in the Catechism.”, and we had to specify “history of Religious Liberty being in the Catechism.” He told us in 1981 that the same request was with a group of students at the same High School.
I know that if you call your Diocese and ask for information, you’ll get it! You’ll just have to give them a little money, of course! Nothing! That’s what they do! You can even call my diocese and ask them, it might take a fee of some kind, that you should propose. Maybe two or three thousand, for them to check the archives.
I know that if you call your Diocese and ask for information, you’ll get it! You’ll just have to give them a little money, of course! Nothing! That’s what they do! You can even call my diocese and ask them, it might take a fee of some kind, that you should propose. Maybe two or three thousand, for them to check the archives.
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DeepDeepTrouble3
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I will say it here, on these forums, like I said it on other traditionalist forums, where my post was deleted.
I define the terms Religious and Liberty, in every sense of the words, "in omnia sententia."
I define the terms Religious and Liberty, in every sense of the words, "in omnia sententia."
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DeepDeepTrouble3
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Everyone, if you want to chime in here, say your with the pope on everything, and just say, “Yes, I agree with the Church on Religious Liberty,” please do say so, on this thread over here:
Does anyone here agree with Religious Liberty? Apologetics
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