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I know that the standard line in these times is that we choose to go to heaven or hell. However, given what the fathers, Scripture, and classical Catholic teaching say, it’s more accurate to say that God consigns people to endure eternal conscious torment with God as the active agent in said torment which flows from his just sentence upon sinners. Given this reality, do you think that I’ll stand a chance if I have a personal dislike of God? I cannot say, given this model, that I can love God, but I can respect and try to obey him as a king. This has filled me with an intense amount of anxiety and most days I wish that I had never been created that face the likelihood of the massa damnata (which IS the classical Catholic position).
 
Yes: they often try to sell that God doesn’t punish sinners, but that they punish themselves.
 
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I know that the standard line in these times is that we choose to go to heaven or hell. However, given what the fathers, Scripture, and classical Catholic teaching say, it’s more accurate to say that God consigns people to endure eternal conscious torment with God as the active agent in said torment which flows from his just sentence upon sinners. Given this reality, do you think that I’ll stand a chance if I have a personal dislike of God? I cannot say, given this model, that I can love God, but I can respect and try to obey him as a king. This has filled me with an intense amount of anxiety and most days I wish that I had never been created that face the likelihood of the massa damnata (which IS the classical Catholic position).
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Oh if there were ever a soul crying out for divine mercy, it is yours today. Here are some of St Faustina’s discussions with the Lord who is full of mercy.

“‘Oh how much I am hurt by a soul’s distrust! Such a soul professes that I am Holy and Just, but does not believe that I am Mercy and does not trust in My Goodness. Even the devils believe in My Justice, but do not glorify My Goodness. My Heart rejoices in this title of Mercy.’” (No. 300)

“All grace flows from mercy, and the last hour abounds with mercy for us. Let no one doubt concerning the goodness of God; even if a person’s sins were as dark as night, God’s mercy is stronger than our misery. One thing alone is necessary; that the sinner set ajar the door of his heart, be it ever so little, to let in a ray of God’s merciful grace, and then God will do the rest.” (No. 1507)

“Jesus: ‘My child, life on earth is a struggle indeed; a great struggle for my kingdom. But fear not, because you are not alone. I am always supporting you, so lean on Me as you struggle, fearing nothing. Take the vessel of trust and draw from the fountain of life – for yourself, but also for other souls, especially such as are distrustful of My goodness.’” (No. 1488)

“I realize more and more how much every soul needs God’s mercy throughout life and particularly at the hour of death. This chaplet (of Divine Mercy) mitigates God’s anger, as He Himself told me.” (No. 1036)
 
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Yes: they often try to sell that God doesn’t punish sinners, but that they punish themselves.
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Maybe you should be open to what people are telling you.
God loves you. Love respects free will. You are free to love God. To think you are damned is a deception.
Luke 15: 11-32

Listen to your priest.
Also
1 Bless the Lord, my soul;
all my being, bless his holy name!
2 Bless the Lord, my soul;
and do not forget all his gifts,
3 Who pardons all your sins,
and heals all your ills,
4 Who redeems your life from the pit,
and crowns you with mercy and compassion,
5 Who fills your days with good things,
so your youth is renewed like the eagle’s.[b]

II​

6 The Lord does righteous deeds,
brings justice to all the oppressed.
7 He made known his ways to Moses,
to the Israelites his deeds.
8 Merciful and gracious is the Lord,
slow to anger, abounding in mercy.
9 He will not always accuse,
and nurses no lasting anger;
10 He has not dealt with us as our sins merit,
nor requited us as our wrongs deserve.

III​

11 For as the heavens tower over the earth,
so his mercy towers over those who fear him.
12 As far as the east is from the west,
so far has he removed our sins from us.
13 As a father has compassion on his children,
so the Lord has compassion on those who fear him.
 
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I believe an important distinction to make here is that when we say we dislike God, what we can truly only mean is that we dislike the ideas of God which we have been taught or which we personally have surmised. Since God is, in essence, unknowable I don’t think it’s possible to dislike Him.
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do you think that I’ll stand a chance if I have a personal dislike of God?
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God is beyond the foibles we humans use as a yardstick. His understanding of the human life with all its adversity and torments provides tremendous compassion which we cannot even begin to fathom. Personally, though I have at times worried over the same things you have outlined, I no longer give them a passing thought. I am flawed, I fail, I fall short. God expects nothing else and is always willing to lend a hand toward our wish to do better.
 
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it’s more accurate to say that God consigns people to endure eternal conscious torment with God as the active agent in said torment
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Hmm… do you have anything that supports this claim? I mean… it flies in the face of the Scriptural assertion that God wishes that all come to salvation…
 
If someone rejects your love, are you going to punish them with eternal torment?
 
I have! Lol

I got the same lame free will argument. I reject the free will argument: hell is coercive which removes free will completely,
 
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If someone rejects your love, are you going to punish them with eternal torment?
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God IS love. If you reject His love, you willingly separate yourself from Him when you die. Hell is the absence of God, just as cold is the absence of warmth. If one does not love God, and actively chooses NOT to love God, how can they enter heaven? For God Himself IS love and heaven is where God is.
 
  1. There is no place where God is not. God is present in hell tormenting sinners.
  2. Most people don’t know about this “free choice”. The free choice is also not that easy because it requires a complete change in life and, even with this re-orientation, one mortal sin completely erases any progress made. Sorry, there’s not so much free choice about this.
 
This is interesting. Something about this idea that people choose hell never sat right with me theologically. Hell is a result of God’s justice and is punitive in nature.
 
Exactly; this is why I pretty much just take him as a king: I respect him and his laws, but he’s the judge and I’m just someone who is trying to keep the laws out of fear with no emotional involvement or care.
 
My own reflections on what the scripture means about God being all-in-all in the resurrection and in relation to Hell-

When we consider God, we can summarize him in one word- “Good.” As Christ said, “None is good but God alone.”

Being that he is is supremely and essentially goodness beyond understanding, he is the source of every good thing.

Now, is mercy good? Yes. Is Love good? Yes. Is Peace good?yes. And justice? Yes.

Therefore, when the scripture speaks about all things being recapitulated in God, who will be all in all, we can summarize this by saying all creatures will receive their proper goods from the Supreme Good.

Therefore those in paradise receive the good of his mercy and those in hell receive the good of his punishments he has prepared for them in justice.

And as the justice of God is good, for it flows from the supreme Good; and the mercy of God is good, for it emanates from the supreme Good, so is the age to come good, where there is both reward and punishment, for it is the triumph of the supreme Good in all creatures according to their faith or their unbelief. No soul will be left out of the recapitulation of goodness, but many will experience his goodness differently. It is good when the judge punishes the prisoner, and the prisoner is experiencing the good of the Judge’s justice. He just doesn’t like it.

Likewise the triumph of God, supremely good, is the triumph of each good capable of reception by the human heart in every condiction, saved or Unsaved, and proportionate to those modes.
 
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