Personal Eucharist

[confusedius]

LilyM-

“I truly didn’t mean to insult, but you were the one who made the reference to ‘wherever two or three are gathered in my name’.”

I knew the risk I took when I posted this. However, I really wanted feedback to a very serious concern for me. To Wit: Why must anyone be forced into an organized ceremony in order to follow the precise instructions of Christ?

Please do not think me flippant, or stupid. I am neither. Please do not assume I am playing some game. I am not. And, please do not think me adrift. I am searching for answers, but will not accept “because we told you so” when reason, and the Words of Christ, tell me different.

“In what sense, then, is the ordinary weekday home meal (presuming it includes bread and wine) precluded from becoming the Eucharist in the right circumstances?”

I am certainly not speaking of a pizza and chianti moment. Do you really think that? Let us say it is a small gathering of like minded individuals who sincerely wish to partake.

“Not the seder itself, no. Then again, the seder is but one part of the proper celebration of Passover - which proper celebration DOES include communal liturgical worship in synagogue or Temple. Unless my understanding is way off.”

No your understanding is not way off, but the Seder is “The Meal”, with bread, and wine, and in the home. Do you not see the connection? Passover is a week long.

It appears that the author of this thread doesn’t want to hear anything but what he wants to hear.

Sorry but the Church can not, and will not, yield to your personal vision of what the Eucharist should be.

You are of course free to begin your own church, and do whatever you want to do. If however you want the Roman Catholic Church to bend to your will, that will not happen. You can twist scripture to your hearts content, use only those passages that you think support YOUR position, and that will never convince the church to do it your way.

Sadly, this post proves that a person can sit in a garage all their life and never be a car.

Was I gone so long? Have I posted and left town? No, but I do need to do this work thing. How do you conclude your first paragraph? Do you really think I have nothing better to do than ask a question and refuse to listen to the answer?

Second para is more of the same. What I find hard to believe is that you can speak for the entire Church- tell it what it will and will not do. And it is not my “personal vision” it is a question, and I thought this the place to get an answer. That is what I thought.

Third para, I fully realize what I am free do do. I believe I am also free to ask the question I asked and not have it trounced upon. I can not believe you think I am in any way trying to “convince the Church” of anything. That is ludicrous!

I think I will leave these forums now, as there are places where one can express their thoughts and concerns without fear of being labeled a heretic. I appreciate KathleenGee, and LilyM, pablope, gabriel of 12, Gary and benidict and others who have shown some kindness and consideration.

As a parting suggestion, please change the heading for this section. “Non-catholic Religions, Comparing and contrasting beliefs” is not even close to accurate…

James

 

[LDNCatholic]

Nope. You can’t have a ‘personal Eucharist’. You, not being a Catholic (or Orthodox) priest, are unable to lead the Mass.

You could certainly have a communal meal or something in that vein with fellow Protestants (I’m assuming non liturgical Protestants), but it would not be the Eucharist.

There is no personal ceremony that you can perform that will bring about transubstantiation.

 

[Corki]

Second para is more of the same. What I find hard to believe is that you can speak for the entire Church- tell it what it will and will not do. And it is not my “personal vision” it is a question, and I thought this the place to get an answer. That is what I thought.

No one here is trying to tell the Church what it will or will not do. What several people here have tried to do is to explain to you what the Church tells us, and has told us, since the days of the Apostles. Don’t shoot the messengers.

 

[Oldtimer_7]

LilyM, Charity is from the Latin caritas, which is in Greek agape. Good point.

I think the word personal is what is throwing us all. It makes Eucharist an oxymoron, as it is a coming together with God and with His saints. This is the ultimate throwing off of self. As Jesus poured himself out for the sins of all, we pour out ourselves in Eucharist to make room for God to come into our lives. Here “our” refers to the assemblage, not to the individual.

In the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America tradition, if we go to a hospital room, for example, all in the room are invited to partake, even though we come to give communion to the sufferer. This is in recognition that we are all in need of grace, and ultimately are all the children of the one God.