Peter the "rock"?

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jean8 said:
The rock? what scripture?
Peter was confessing what he believed. Jesus is the Rock of our salvation., not Peter.

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Divorcing Scriptures from Scriptures is wonderful! Just look at how great it is: according to the Jehovah Witnesses God is powerless because he worries about gods and Jesus is glorified angel… wow what fantastic theology!

…so in your version Jesus dangles the keys in front of Peter, changes his name just to mess with him, then tells him to take notes cause He’s building His Church on that rock or is was it that other rock or the shinny-one-over-there rock?

Maran atha!

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jean8 said:
howie,
Mt.16:13-20 this tells us the story of the Rock of our salvation. All believers are joined i nto his church by faith in Jesus Christ. as savior. This is the faith that Peter was confessing when Jesus asked Peter, “who do you say that I am.?”
Peter answered “You are the messiah, the Son of the Living God”
This passage has always been a subject of great debate. If you have a Bible look this up and find out why. 🙂

God bless you as you search for the truth in His word,
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Yes, it has been… but only once the sola Scriptura when it is convenient sayers came into the scene!

Read the Gospels and you will understand that Jesus is not commanding His disciples to go to Him or have a multi-congressional vote on the doctrinal teachings of His Body!

First, you must stop thinking and allow the Holy Spirit to guide you to the Truth!

Maran atha!

Angel
 
jean8 said:
howie,
Mt.16:13-20 this tells us the story of the Rock of our salvation. All believers are joined i nto his church by faith in Jesus Christ. as savior. This is the faith that Peter was confessing when Jesus asked Peter, “who do you say that I am.?”
Peter answered “You are the messiah, the Son of the Living God”
This passage has always been a subject of great debate. If you have a Bible look this up and find out why. 🙂

God bless you as you search for the truth in His word,
jean
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For Greek sentence structure: “Rock” is closest to “Peter” so Peter is the rock. ** Attempting to have “rock” mean “faith” is not in accordance with correct grammar of the Greek language.

Jesus calls Peter “Rock,” because he will represent Jesus who is our Rock and Cornerstone, when Jesus returns to His Father.

Pax,
SHW
 
SHW said:
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For Greek sentence structure: “Rock” is closest to “Peter” so Peter is the rock. ** Attempting to have “rock” mean “faith” is not in accordance with correct grammar of the Greek language.

Jesus calls Peter “Rock,” because he will represent Jesus who is our Rock and Cornerstone, when Jesus returns to His Father.

Pax,
SHW
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It is this Rock that is finally displayed in Acts over and over again.

In the Gospels, Jesus sees the Rock that Peter will become after the Ascension. Oh, that we could all be changed like Peter.
 
SHW said:
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For Greek sentence structure: “Rock” is closest to “Peter” so Peter is the rock. ** Attempting to have “rock” mean “faith” is not in accordance with correct grammar of the Greek language.

Jesus calls Peter “Rock,” because he will represent Jesus who is our Rock and Cornerstone, when Jesus returns to His Father.

Pax,
SHW
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Also as has been pointed out a number of times, While we get “Peter” fromt he Greek “Petros”, Jesus would have been speaking Aramaic and thus Named Simon - Kepha (or kephas or cephas).

Peace
James
 
JRKH said:
Also as has been pointed out a number of times, While we get “Peter” fromt he Greek “Petros”, Jesus would have been speaking Aramaic and thus Named Simon - Kepha (or kephas or cephas).

Peace
James
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Thanks for the additional information. 🙂 Pax, SHW
 
JRKH said:
Also as has been pointed out a number of times, While we get “Peter” fromt he Greek “Petros”, Jesus would have been speaking Aramaic and thus Named Simon - Kepha (or kephas or cephas).

Peace
James
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To further emphasize this point, we see St. Paul calling St. Peter “Cephas”. This is the Greek rendering of the Aramaic word - Kepha (Rock). This would indicate that Christ did indeed call Peter “Kepha” (Rock) in the original context, not Petros.

So what’s the difference between Cephas and Petros?
  • Cephas, as mentioned, is the Greek rendering of the Aramaic Kepha. It doesn’t care what the word “Kepha” means. It would be like someone named “John” being called “Juan” in Mexico.
  • Petros, of course, is the Greek translation of the word rock. It carries the meaning of the word.
 
NotWorthy said:
To further emphasize this point, we see St. Paul calling St. Peter “Cephas”. This is the Greek rendering of the Aramaic word - Kepha (Rock). This would indicate that Christ did indeed call Peter “Kepha” (Rock) in the original context, not Petros.

So what’s the difference between Cephas and Petros?
  • Cephas, as mentioned, is the Greek rendering of the Aramaic Kepha. It doesn’t care what the word “Kepha” means. It would be like someone named “John” being called “Juan” in Mexico.
  • Petros, of course, is the Greek translation of the word rock. It carries the meaning of the word.
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In addition there is the persistant argument from protestants about the “Rock” / “Pebble” variations in Greek grammer on the use of Petros/Petra. (I am no Greek scholar but have heard the argument). This argument is deflated by the fact that Jesus would have used the term Kepha which means simply rock and in Aramaic there is no distinction between a large or small rock.

Peace
James
 
JRKH said:
In addition there is the persistant argument from protestants about the “Rock” / “Pebble” variations in Greek grammer on the use of Petros/Petra. (I am no Greek scholar but have heard the argument). This argument is deflated by the fact that Jesus would have used the term Kepha which means simply rock and in Aramaic there is no distinction between a large or small rock.

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James
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Yes, and in the Greek, there is a distinction between large and small rock - but its not “petros” and “petra” like the claim is often made. “petros” lost the distinction of “small pebble” roughly 800 years before Christ. And, even though one Protestant Apologist claims it returned into vogue for a brief 50 years in the 1st century AD (that is so funny. It’s amazing that people buy that tripe), the word in the New Testament that represents small rock or pebble is “Lithos”, not “petros”. It is used roughly 17 times, if I remember correctly.
 
jean8 said:
The rock? what scripture?
Peter was confessing what he believed. Jesus is the Rock of our salvation., not Peter.

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Jean-

This is not correct. Protestant scholars (lots of them) have already conceded the point that Peter is the rock. Not his profession, not Jesus Himself. Peter.

See my post #7 in this thread for proof.

I know this will be a bit of a let-down for you, of course, but since you alreadly accept the baptismal regeneration of infants and the real presence in the Eucharist and since Catholics and Lutherans have made great progress on “faith alone”, it might be time to consider coming back to the true Church. Peter really is what Jesus intended and the Catholic Church has been saying all along.

Waddya say? 🤷
 
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