Philadelphia Inquirer Profiles Program That Offers Money to Drug Users Who Agree to L

[buffalo]

Philadelphia Inquirer Profiles Program That Offers Money to Drug Users Who Agree to Long-Term Birth Control

he Philadelphia Inquirer on Wednesday profiled the not-for-profit, North Carolina-based organization… Project Prevention – formerly known as Children Requiring A Caring Community – which offers $200 cash to any woman with a proven drug or alcohol problem who agrees to be sterilized or use long-term birth control (Couloumbis, Philadelphia Inquirer, 8/10). The program, which began in 1997, gives a one-time payment of $200 to women who undergo sterilization procedures and an annual payment of $200 to women who take Depo-Provera as long as they continue receiving the injections. Participants also can receive an additional $50 for each person they successfully refer to the program.

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What will be next - $1,000 to euthanize yourself to reduce medical costs?

 

[Karin]

"However, Barbara Harris, who founded Project Prevention in the late 1990s, said the group’s method works to reduce the number of U.S. infants who are born addicted to drugs or alcohol and often have severe medical and emotional problems." medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=28996

Interesting…

 

[marvin]

I don’t even know where to begin. Its so depressing. Does anyone really think that an addict is going to spend extra money on food and clothing? Does anyone who knows *anything * about addicts really think that they play by the rules?

 

[marvin]

"However, Barbara Harris, who founded Project Prevention in the late 1990s, said the group’s method works to reduce the number of U.S. infants who are born addicted to drugs or alcohol and often have severe medical and emotional problems." medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=28996

Interesting…

Not very interesting when you notice the **founder of the group ** is touting its success.

 

[Karin]

marvin:

Not very interesting when you notice the **founder of the group **is touting its success.

No, what I found interesting was the reason of why they where doing this.

 

[marvin]

Karin:

No, what I found interesting was the reason of why they where doing this.

If you mean reducing the number of infants born addicted to drugs and/or alcohol, there are other ways to go about it.

 

[Karin]

marvin:

If you mean reducing the number of infants born addicted to drugs and/or alcohol, there are other ways to go about it.

Yes that is what I meant. I am sure that there are other ways, are they more effecitve?

 

[marvin]

Karin:

Yes that is what I meant. I am sure that there are other ways, are they more effecitve?

Is a solution’s “effectivity” the most important consideration? Hitler and Stalin were plenty effective.

 

[Karin]

marvin:

Is a solution’s “effectivity” the most important consideration? Hitler and Stalin were plenty effective.

Well first I did not realize that we where discussing Hitler and Stalin. In answer to your question, no the effectivity is not the most important consideration. But it is a factor…so what are these other ways that you mentioned???

 

[marvin]

Karin:

Well first I did not realize that we where discussing Hitler and Stalin. In answer to your question, no the effectivity is not the most important consideration. But it is a factor…so what are these other ways that you mentioned???

Well, the Nazis thought sterilization was a good idea, albeit forced sterilization.

What I want to know is, how is bribing an addict with $200 worth of free drug money going to solve anything?

People aren’t dogs to be “fixed”. This is a simple-minded solution to a much bigger and more complex problem.

 

[Karin]

marvin:

What I want to know is, how is bribing an addict with $200 worth of free drug money going to solve anything?

People aren’t dogs to be “fixed”. This is a simple-minded solution to a much bigger and more complex problem.

Well once again I have asked you to state the other methods that are out there to control or fix this problem…once again you have not given any. I am not saying this is right but you did mention other methods…so WHAT ARE THEY??
It may be a simple method but it seems to be working for the people that partake in it…less babies born addicted to crack or worse dead…that is the goal of this program.

 

[marvin]

Karin:

Well once again I have asked you to state the other methods that are out there to control or fix this problem…once again you have not given any. I am not saying this is right but you did mention other methods…so WHAT ARE THEY??
It may be a simple method but it seems to be working for the people that partake in it…less babies born addicted to crack or worse dead…that is the goal of this program.

Here’s an idea. How about we treat addicts like people instead of animals?

 

[Karin]

marvin:

Here’s an idea. How about we treat addicts like people instead of animals?

sure lets coddle them and sweet talk (to stop taking drugs) them and let them keep taking drugs while pregnant or drinking…heck who are they hurting but themselves…WRONG!
Any other ideas??
There has to be something that can be done to prevent these woman from harming unborn babies. Fine you want to kill /harm yourself with drugs but not when you are pregnant. And then there are the woman who are of child bearing age that abuse drugs who are not pregnant but who could become pregnant.

 

[marvin]

Karin,

I like the quote at the bottom of your post. Did you read it?

 

[Karin]

marvin:

Karin,

I like the quote at the bottom of your post. Did you read it?

LOL!! Thank you. As to reading it…hmmm I think I did, but then I had a public school education, so perhaps I didnt!!!
But Marvin we are still at the fork in the road…what options are there for the crack heads that want to inflict this garbage on unborn kids??
You still have not stated the other options that you say are out there…why???

 

[marvin]

color=#800080]But Marvin we are still at the fork in the road…what options are there for the crack heads that want to inflict this garbage on unborn kids??

??? I don’t think people wake up and say, “I want to be a crack head and have babies.”

This brilliant sterilizatin plan doesn’t apply only to “crack heads” but any addicts, including alcoholics.

Addiction cuts across all levels and strata of society. I think you’d be shocked to find out how many kids have fetal alcohol syndrome who come from “good neighborhoods”. Should we offer this program to suburban residents as well? It wouldn’t make out of town council.

You still have not stated the other options that you say are out there…why???

As I stated before, this problem is immensely complex. I don’t pretend to have the knowledge to be able to fix it, unlike some other people in Philadlephia. Throwing money at a problem never works.
The problem has to be attacked at the addicts’ level. People get addicted to substances for many different reasons. Its a long process to get someone clean but well worth the effort. There is no quick fix or easy answer.

Again, I don’t think it is morally acceptable to bribe someone who is in a compromised mental state to sterilize themselves.

What this program tells addicts is , “You’re worthless. We don’t want to have to deal with you or your whelps anymore. Here’s $200 dollars, get yourself spayed, take the money, buy more junk and go die somewhere.”

 

[Karin]

marvin:

??? I don’t think people wake up and say, “I want to be a crack head and have babies.”

This brilliant sterilizatin plan doesn’t apply only to “crack heads” but any addicts, including alcoholics.

Addiction cuts across all levels and strata of society. I think you’d be shocked to find out how many kids have fetal alcohol syndrome who come from “good neighborhoods”. Should we offer this program to suburban residents as well? It wouldn’t make out of town council.

You still have not stated the other options that you say are out there…why???

As I stated before, this problem is immensely complex. I don’t pretend to have the knowledge to be able to fix it, unlike some other people in Philadlephia. Throwing money at a problem never works.
The problem has to be attacked at the addicts’ level. People get addicted to substances for many different reasons. Its a long process to get someone clean but well worth the effort. There is no quick fix or easy answer.

Again, I don’t think it is morally acceptable to bribe someone who is in a compromised mental state to sterilize themselves.

What this program tells addicts is , “You’re worthless. We don’t want to have to deal with you or your whelps anymore. Here’s $200 dollars, get yourself spayed, take the money, buy more junk and go die somewhere.”
OK Marvin…they are not all sterilized a large majority just are put on birth control. I am aware that many “good” families with money also have their problems with addictions.
Heck if they are in a compromised mental state…then lock them all up. You stated it is along road to recovery…I agree. But in the process to recovery most addicts still abuse…so instead of just looking out for the addicts and their rights who is looking out for the unborn children…the abusing mother…think not!??

 

[AlanFromWichita]

Let me make sure I understand.

I’m going to get paid for not having babies, with $200.

How far is $200 going to go buying the drugs that I can now have, since I’m safely out of the gene pool? You’d think I’d feel all relieved, want to kick back and WHAT? You mean we’re already out of this $200 lifetime ration in Two Weeks?

Sounds like an insult to me. Maybe if they provided enough cash for a monthly supply of drugs for say, ten years guaranteed it might be a different story. Then again, I guess if you want to be sterilized anyway that’s one way to get it done at a discount.

Alan

 

[marvin]

color=purple]OK Marvin…they are not all sterilized a large majority just are put on birth control.

And the problem here is, what makes you think they’ll comply?
So now, someone has cash **and ** something to sell (the birth control device, pils whatever. And don’t think addicts don’t sell this kind of stuff. They’ll sell anything they can.)

I am aware that many “good” families with money also have their problems with addictions.

So why is this program targeted at the inner city?

Heck if they are in a compromised mental state…then lock them all up.

When I say compromised mental state, I mean under the influence. However most addicts at the street level have other mental problems as well. They probably should be institutionalized but we’re not allowed to do that anymore.

Who is looking out for the rights of unborn children of those addicted to prescription drugs i.e. Prozac, Valium, Xanax, Percocet, Oxycontin, etc?
Who is looking out for the rights of unborn children of smokers? Who is looking out for the rights of unborn children of the morbidly obese?

 

[Karin]

marvin:

And the problem here is, what makes you think they’ll comply?
So now, someone has cash **and something to sell (the birth control device, pils whatever. And don’t think addicts don’t sell this kind of stuff. They’ll sell anything they can.) My understanding of the program is you get your shot of Deprovera and then get your money…no birth control pills etc. are offered via this program. **

So why is this program targeted at the inner city?
**Probably because these people need the $$$ more than the upper class junkies or alcoholics?? **

When I say compromised mental state, I mean under the influence. However most addicts at the street level have other mental problems as well. They probably should be institutionalized but we’re not allowed to do that anymore.
What a shame!

Who is looking out for the rights of unborn children of those addicted to prescription drugs i.e. Prozac, Valium, Xanax, Percocet, Oxycontin, etc?
Who is looking out for the rights of unborn children of smokers? Who is looking out for the rights of unborn children of the morbidly obese? No one I guess?!?! Pretty sad if you ask me.