Philosophy: Can we experience that which is beyond our ability to experience?

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This question is more involved than it appears.

I will leave it at that for now.
 
A riddle! A riddle! Gollum likes riddles … give us a hint, then.

😦
 
Flopfoot said:
Can we do something that we can’t do? Nope.
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I’d agree with Flopfoot. (Law of noncontradiction.) But I’m guessing what the question means is something like, “Can we experience (in some way) that which is beyond our ability to experience (via our senses)?” If that’s the question, then the answer would be yes. Take this conversation for example: What you are experiencing via the senses is a bunch of odd marks and colors on a computer screen. However, you are also experiencing the transmission of meaning, which cannot be sense-experienced.

If, on the other hand, I missed the intent of the question, then please ignore the previous. 😃
 
Can we feel the love of our god, feel his passion, feel the calm and resolution after a prayer even though we lack the ability to use our human senses to detect (see or touch) him… Yes by all means.
 
Part of what this gropes after is the idea that we are created to know God, who is beyond experiential knowledge, and to behold the beatific vision, which is beyond sight…

Put that in your pipe and smoke it!
 
Truthstalker said:
Part of what this gropes after is the idea that we are created to know God, who is beyond experiential knowledge, and to behold the beatific vision, which is beyond sight…

Put that in your pipe and smoke it!
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Well, yeah. But if we are created to know God, that means that God is not beyond our ability to experience, yes?
 
Depends how you define can and how you approach inability.

We can be allowed to experience what is beyond our normal ability to experience. Technically, however, that means stretching our ability for that moment (without the ability to replicate that experience), because strictly speaking we can’t do what we can’t do (at the moment, not at the moment vs generally). So along with that experience, there would automatically come a change in our ability with regard to it (it = the particular experience).
 
chevalier said:
Depends how you define can and how you approach inability.

We can be allowed to experience what is beyond our normal ability to experience. Technically, however, that means stretching our ability for that moment (without the ability to replicate that experience), because strictly speaking we can’t do what we can’t do (at the moment, not at the moment vs generally). So along with that experience, there would automatically come a change in our ability with regard to it (it = the particular experience).
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Ah. What is inability? Does it have powers?
 
cpayne said:
To a degree, yes.

I have a feeling you’re asking something I’m not getting.:confused:
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I am struggling to articulate a non-verbalized idea (Ani will love that line!).

To what degree and with what limits can the created experience the uncreated? And what is your feeling?
 
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Truthstalker:
I am struggling to articulate a non-verbalized idea (Ani will love that line!).
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I do love that line. Can I have it to keep forever?
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Truthstalker:
To what degree and with what limits can the created experience the uncreated?
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To the extent that the uncreated permits the experience.
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Truthstalker:
And what is your feeling?
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Oh pretty mellow actually. How about you? 😃
 
Ani_Ibi said:
I do love that line. Can I have it to keep forever?

As long as the uncreated allows.

To the extent that the uncreated permits the experience.

Bob and weave, bob and weave

Oh pretty mellow actually. How about you? 😃
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Weave and bob, weave and bob…

Sigh…Marvin the Robot was an optimist…
 
How about revelation, regarding the OP?

Speaking of pizza, a friend of mine argues that bread was the first supernatural revelation. He claims God must have given someone the idea, as bread is so complex to make, with varied ingredients required in the right amounts, and not something that can be percieved by analogy but intrinsically novel, that we could not have thought it up on our own. Interesting speculation. More interesting when you make the connection with the Communion element. Wine may be similar - complex, on its own not naturally occuring. Obvious once you know about it, but unthinkable before hand.

Slice of pepperoni for me.
 
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Truthstalker:
How about revelation, regarding the OP?
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What’s wrong with Grace?
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Truthstalker:
Speaking of pizza, a friend of mine argues that bread was the first supernatural revelation. He claims God must have given someone the idea, as bread is so complex to make, with varied ingredients required in the right amounts, and not something that can be percieved by analogy but intrinsically novel, that we could not have thought it up on our own. Interesting speculation.
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Nah. Try making it from barm and it soon becomes apparent how easy it is just to fall into making bread. Practically makes itself.

Folks probably observed how wheat berries sprout and started to sprout them themselves. Some sprouted. Some stayed as wheat berry dust (flour). One day one batch fermented beside the fire and got heated into flat bread.
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Truthstalker:
Wine may be similar - complex, on its own not naturally occuring.
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Same thing with wine. One summer it fermented in the heat and buddy next door drank some and got bombed.

Now the trick is in making good bread and good wine.
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Truthstalker:
Obvious once you know about it, but unthinkable before hand.
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Sure unthinkable beforehand. Like any happy accident.
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Truthstalker:
Slice of pepperoni for me.
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Mushroom and pineapple for me.
 
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