Philosophy: Is The Red Rose Really Red?

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Do we percieve reality how it really is? When i look at a red rose, is it really red; or is the colour generated by my mind?

Also, if the rose is really there, and it really is red, then how come are eyes have a perfect picture of reality with out pre-programing?
 
Yes, a red rose is really red. Our perception does not create reality. Our senses sense and our brain perceives what we have sensed.
 
Yes, a red rose is really red. Our perception does not create reality. Our senses sense and our brain perceives what we have sensed.
Yes but how is it senseing the real, if are minds are purely material?
 
Yes but how is it senseing the real, if are minds are purely material?
Our minds are not merely physical. We have the matter that comprises the physical brain, but “mind” includes the soul also, that is the intellect and will. The soul is not material.

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Our minds are not merely physical. We have the matter that comprises the physical brain, but “mind” includes the soul also, that is the intellect and will. The soul is not material.

Nita
Yes.
 
Please post philosophy threads in the BackFence forum.

This is the Apologetics forum.

Thanks. :tiphat:
 
If a tree fell in the woods and there was no one there to hear, would it make a noise?

No. It would disturb air molecules. “Noise” is our brain’s interpretation of the localized disruptions in air pressure that came about as a result of the tree falling.
 
Depends. Our eyesight is responsive only to a certain range of electromagnetic wavelengths, from about 380 to 740 nanometers. If we perceived light waves beyond those parameters, a rose might look quite different.

We only perceive the appearances, after all, not the substance.
 
If a tree fell in the woods and there was no one there to hear, would it make a noise?

No. It would disturb air molecules. “Noise” is our brain’s interpretation of the localized disruptions in air pressure that came about as a result of the tree falling.
Then the “noise” is the disturbed air molecules,and it would indeed be “made” by the falling tree even if no one was there to “interpret” it as noise.
 
It’s like trying to explain color to a person born blind…after a while they just have to tell you to shut up !
 
I’m not sure if the rose is really red or if the redness perceived is a byproduct of the rose interacting with light and so forth.
 
I’m not sure if the rose is really red or if the redness perceived is a byproduct of the rose interacting with light and so forth.
I tend to agree with the latter point. In any case when it is dark, all seem to be gray or black.
 
Do we percieve reality how it really is? When i look at a red rose, is it really red; or is the colour generated by my mind?

Also, if the rose is really there, and it really is red, then how come are eyes have a perfect picture of reality with out pre-programing?
The only true reality is a spiritual one. Everything here is dependent on things like perceivable wavelengths, quantum probabilities and subjective experiences that we convince ourselves are objective.

A2 + B2 = C2 (Pythagorean Theorem) is metaphysically true in God’s universe whether or not there ever is a physical right triangle.

What is TRUE reality? We do not have the equipment to ever know that this side of Heaven.
 
I’m not sure if the rose is really red or if the redness perceived is a byproduct of the rose interacting with light and so forth.
The rose has a chemical structure. Light hits the rose. The rose absorbs all wavelengths of light except the wavelength for red light. The rose reflects red light. We see a red rose.
 
The rose has a chemical structure. Light hits the rose. The rose absorbs all wavelengths of light except the wavelength for red light. The rose reflects red light. We see a red rose.
Yes, but the perception of red is really how the brain unscrambles certain wavelengths of light. For example, the wavelength range that I see as red, you could perceive as purple (in my world). But since you grew up with purple being red, that would BE red for you. I can never look at someone else and know if they are percieving the same “COLOR” as I am, merely because their brain might interpret it differently but the word association is the same with whatever color they percieve in that wavelength range.

As to the tree falling in the woods… It both makes and does not make a sound. There are TWO definitions of noise/sound:
  1. A disturbance caused by physical vibration travelling through a media
  2. the auditory perception of a disturbance travelling through a media
    Obviously, depending on which definition you’re going by, both answers can be correct.
 
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Yes, but the perception of red is really how the brain unscrambles certain wavelengths of light.
Yes, absolutely. Red is a word. We can’t know something without having a word for it. Some cultures like the Piraha have no words for colours.

Also red is culturally determined. Historically determined. Experientially determined. All sorts of variables.
 
I have always wondered if a red rose which is red to me is red to someone else. What if someone else’s red is blue to them? Understand what I am saying? We both see a red rose, but their preception of red is really what I see as blue… I am confusing everyone now probably.

Ever met those people that just could not color cordinate themselves? This is what made me think of this.

God bless
 
I have always wondered if a red rose which is red to me is red to someone else. What if someone else’s red is blue to them? Understand what I am saying? We both see a red rose, but their preception of red is really what I see as blue… I am confusing everyone now probably.

Ever met those people that just could not color cordinate themselves? This is what made me think of this.

God bless
There have been some studies done (at least one at any rate) on how people ascribe color to various works of art that are physically colorless (like symphonies). They found correlations between the ascription of certain colors and the works of art. This is mentioned in a book called “Art in Action”
 
There have been some studies done (at least one at any rate) on how people ascribe color to various works of art that are physically colorless (like symphonies). They found correlations between the ascription of certain colors and the works of art. This is mentioned in a book called “Art in Action”
Joni Mitchell and Prince have this condition. They hear colours.
 
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