Philosophy: sense, nonsense, right, and wrong

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Reason is always a region carved out of the irrational…
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Underneath all reason lies delirium, and drift.(Gilles Deleuze)
The pendulum of the mind alternates between sense and nonsense, not between right and wrong.’
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(Carl Jung)

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Ani_Ibi said:
(Gilles Deleuze)

(Carl Jung)

Thoughts? 😃

I don’t think either quote is terrible, though I’m not familiar with Deleuze and Jung was a known herretical thinker.

right and wrong, I would say, are a form of Sense and Non-sense. Being of divine command theory of ethics, the word of God makes right and wrong have inherent benefit to follow… thus to follow any other than prescribed right does not make rational sense.

To the first quote, I would say that the state of moral depravity caused by the breaking of the world IS a form of irrationality. Sin, which is so harmful to our entire society and yet so desirous to the self, is a form of irrationality. Thus to say that rationality is a carved out area from irrationality is roughly equivolant in my mind to speaking of the grace of God which allows mankind to resist the irrational and harmful desires promoted by satan and to reject sin.
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promethius95945 said:
I don’t think either quote is terrible, though I’m not familiar with Deleuze and Jung was a known herretical thinker.

right and wrong, I would say, are a form of Sense and Non-sense. Being of divine command theory of ethics, the word of God makes right and wrong have inherent benefit to follow… thus to follow any other than prescribed right does not make rational sense.

To the first quote, I would say that the state of moral depravity caused by the breaking of the world IS a form of irrationality. Sin, which is so harmful to our entire society and yet so desirous to the self, is a form of irrationality. Thus to say that rationality is a carved out area from irrationality is roughly equivolant in my mind to speaking of the grace of God which allows mankind to resist the irrational and harmful desires promoted by satan and to reject sin.
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I like that. Sin is limited; God is not. Corruption is limited; the Wod is not. Irrationality is limited; Reason is not. Irrationality can be and is only sustained by Logos who upholds all things and is in all things and without which we are nothing. Unreason is only a corruption of and a diminishing of reason. Likewise irrationality.
 
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promethius95945:
I don’t think either quote is terrible, though I’m not familiar with Deleuze and Jung was a known herretical thinker.
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Please let’s look at what is being said and not who is saying them. Moreover, sometimes writings are posted to stimulate discussion, not because the poster agrees with them.

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promethius95945:
right and wrong, I would say, are a form of Sense and Non-sense. Being of divine command theory of ethics, the word of God makes right and wrong have inherent benefit to follow… thus to follow any other than prescribed right does not make rational sense.

To the first quote, I would say that the state of moral depravity caused by the breaking of the world IS a form of irrationality. Sin, which is so harmful to our entire society and yet so desirous to the self, is a form of irrationality. Thus to say that rationality is a carved out area from irrationality is roughly equivolant in my mind to speaking of the grace of God which allows mankind to resist the irrational and harmful desires promoted by satan and to reject sin.
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Nice moves. Thank you for this. Particularly for your insight into the breaking of the world. 👍
 
By the way, I’m not sure I agree with Jung. The pendulum of my mind seems to swing between right and wrong. Is this sense or nonsense?
 
promethius95945 said:
To the first quote, I would say that the state of moral depravity caused by the breaking of the world IS a form of irrationality.
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Further to the breaking of the world: it occurs to me that when Adam and Eve were expelled from Eden, they did not understand death even when God wrapped them in skins.

When Cain was found out by God, after having first hand experience of his brother’s death, I believe that his sin drove him insane. God, I think, was actually quite kind to Caan, but Caan felt condemned almost as though he could not hear God’s words.

Cain dissociated. Surely he was a man broken by sin.
 
Ani_Ibi said:
Reason is always a region carved out of the irrational… Underneath all reason lies delirium, and drift. (Gilles Deleuze)

Well, if Gilles’ is right, then Gilles is irrational. So what’s there to be right about?

Evil seems close enough to nonsense for me to not be too concerned with what Jung is saying.
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