Philosophy: Traveling in to the future

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After much pondering about time travel, i came to realise that we are aready traveling into the future, although at a very slow rate.

What i like to find out is, though i probably never will while im alive,

**" Does the future exist; is it tangible before we get there? Or is it some vague possibility waiting to be actualised like some kind of parrelel world?"

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Any thoughts on this strange phenomenom called time?
 
After much pondering about time travel, i came to realise that we are aready traveling into the future, although at a very slow rate.

What i like to find out is, though i probably never will while im alive,

**" Does the future exist; is it tangible before we get there? Or is it some vague possibility waiting to be actualised like some kind of parrelel world?"

.**

Any thoughts on this strange phenomenom called time?
The future is not. The past is not. The present is not.

The future is not because it will be.
The past is not because it was.
The present is not because the present “moment” is an indefinable period of time.

We conceive of time as a measurement, yet it is endless, in so far as we conceive of it, for we recognize that there was time before we were and there will be time after we are. We conceive this much in the same way we conceive space: as endless, and infinity.

Note that that does not mean that either are infinite. We know that time has a beginning and no end, and space is most likely finite, with both a beginning and an end.

But since the future is not, and the past is not, and the present is not, for us, what can we say about God? In God there can be no past nor future, for such an idea implies change, and if God were to change, there must be something in Him that is added to or destroyed, both which lead to a finite, incomplete God. So that timeless moment we spoke of, “is”, is what is present to God-all timeless moments in one single timeless moment.
 
one single timeless moment.
Thanks for the post, but i must say that, a moment, represents a moment in time, even though you posit it as timeless; but i do understand what you mean, it just frustraits me, that theres no launguage that can properly explain it.

Is the future actualised Before we get there?
 
Thanks for the post, but i must say that, a moment, represents a moment in time, even though you posit it as timeless; but i do understand what you mean, it just frustraits me, that theres no launguage that can properly explain it.

Is the future actualised Before we get there?
A moment is not timeless, it is an indefinable period of time, just like a point in space.

I do not see how the future can be actualized before we get there. What exactly would that mean? How could it still be the future? Unless you mean it is actual in the mind of God, then yes.
 
A moment is not timeless, it is an indefinable period of time, just like a point in space.
It is you who said it; i have posted your quote below so that you can see it for your self. Unless im missing something, maybe you can explain?
So that timeless moment we spoke of, “is”, is what is present to God-all timeless moments in one single timeless moment.
As for the future not being actualised, if it isn’t, then why is it there when we get there? We are moving forward with time, and, we are moving into a “future moment” in time. If there is not a future time for us to move into, then it is imposible for us to move forward in time.
 
If there is not a future time for us to move into, then it is imposible for us to move forward in time.
Try to understand entropy. Entropy is the arrow of time. We are not so much moving into time. We are falling apart. For every gain we make in creating a small corner of the universe in which order reigns, the cost is a huge increase in disorder. As a function of time.
 
Freesoulhope and Boston: you are getting entangled by not differentiating between linear time and non-linear time.
 
Try to understand entropy. Entropy is the arrow of time. We are not so much moving into time. We are falling apart. For every gain we make in creating a small corner of the universe in which order reigns, the cost is a huge increase in disorder. As a function of time.
So where not moving into time; where falling apart? That particulor concept doesn’t compute, partly because i percieve my self moving with time and moving forward into a future moment in time; form moment to moment. If that future moment does not exist, then by what means is it actualised?

Anyway… what has order and chaos got to do with time?
 
So where not moving into time; where falling apart? That particulor concept doesn’t compute, partly because i percieve my self moving with time and moving forward into a future moment in time; form moment to moment. If that future moment does not exist, then by what means is it actualised?

Anyway… what has order and chaos got to do with time?
The universe is expanding. Space gets bigger. Time gets longer.

Order and chaos are products of entropy. Entropy is the arrow of time. Without time going forward – into the future – no entropy takes place.
 
Freesoulhope and Boston: you are getting entangled by not differentiating between linear time and non-linear time.
Can you please define what it means to you? I do not know enough to differenciate the two.😊
 
The universe is expanding. Space gets bigger. Time gets longer.
You speak of time as a quantity (this doesn’t make sense in a universe with no boundaries; what is it expanding into?), rather then a series of moments; one adding on to the next. Maybe my failing in understanding you is something to with my forgetting that “time matter and space” are one and the same entity; am I shooting in the right direction? If I am, then in theory, if the universe stopped expanding, time would come to a halt or distort; right? Also if different parts of the universe are expanding at different rates, then in theory; time would be distorted in different parts of the universe, or different. Am I making sense?
Order and chaos are products of entropy.
Why does entropy cause these effects?
Entropy is the arrow of time…
An arrow of time suggests that it is pointing towards the future; is my lack of understanding due to the limitations of the human language?
With time going forward – into the future – no entropy takes place.
Why?

Einstein said that, nothing that is solid, like you or me, could reach the speed of light. If I was to go beyond the speed of light, would I break the barrier of time and leave time and space all together?
 
Can you please define what it means to you? I do not know enough to differenciate the two.😊
I have been trying to do that on the Big Bang thread. As I said there, without understanding that differentiation between linear time and non-linear time, we can’t proceed.
 
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freesoulhope:
You speak of time as a quantity (this doesn’t make sense in a universe with no boundaries; what is it expanding into?), rather then a series of moments; one adding on to the next.
The universe is expanding. Because it has a no-boundary condition, it doesn’t need anything to expand into. Moreover, there is nothing beyond the universe, therefore nothing to expand into. Whatever expanding takes place, gets expanded inside the universe.
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freesoulhope:
Maybe my failing in understanding you is something to with my forgetting that “time matter and space” are one and the same entity;
It was before the Big Bang. Time was one or more dimensions of space.
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freesoulhope:
am I shooting in the right direction?
Yes.
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freesoulhope:
If I am, then in theory, if the universe stopped expanding, time would come to a halt or distort; right?
I don’t know. That is a good question. It’s plausible.
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freesoulhope:
Also if different parts of the universe are expanding at different rates, then in theory; time would be distorted in different parts of the universe, or different.
This is entirely possible. But I don’t know about this, nor have I given it any thought.
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freesoulhope:
Am I making sense?
Yes.
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freesoulhope:
Why does entropy cause these effects?
entropylaw.com/
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freesoulhope:
An arrow of time suggests that it is pointing towards the future;
Yes. Hawkings says that the arrow of time can only point toward the future.

BTW, I made a mistake and didn’t correct it in time for your next question. The correct quote to which you were responding is:
Ani Ibi:
Without time going forward – into the future – no entropy takes place.
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freesoulhope:
Because entropy and time are inseparable.
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freesoulhope:
If I was to go beyond the speed of light…
That’s the point. You can’t.
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freesoulhope:
would I break the barrier of time and leave time and space all together?
Entropy is what you should be looking at to leave time behind.
 
You speak of time as a quantity (this doesn’t make sense in a universe with no boundaries;
If the earth took 22 or 26 hours to make one revolution, like on earth would be impossible. It requires just 24-hours for one revolution.

I think therefore that time is crucial. That also is reason enough for me that there is no life on other planets but earth. It is highly improbable they rotate at exactly the right speed for life to exist, which further gives marvel to the existence of that tetra intelligence we dare to call ‘Father’ 🙂
 
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