Philosopy Thread~ Abortion

[Kaninchen]

Wansee was where the Final Solution was formulated.

Er, no. It was more of an announcement of bureaucratic responsibilities.

The Nazis determined to exterminate the Jews entirely.

Good job for me that my family had left.

I don’t think anyone’s saying the US is exactly like the Reich.

That’s just what vern has been saying.

 

[Verisimilitude]

In that regard, our abortion culture is much more shameless than the Reich. At least the Reich didn’t presume to make infanticide a secular sacrament.

I never thought of the abortion rights movement as a secular sacrament, but maybe you are correct that some think of it that way. Though I disagree with any Nazi similarity to the US government. We are a representative republic, and the abortion debate arose out of a twisted sense of equal protection/individual rights that did not take into account the protection and individual in the womb.

 

[Teflon93]

Er, no. It was more of an announcement of bureaucratic responsibilities.

Good job for me that my family had left.

That’s just what vern has been saying.

Wannsee was a bit more than that. Once the decision was taken by Hitler and Himmler, the details had to be worked out. Germans are renowned for attention to detail. Wannsee was where the various Reich players jumped aboard the Holocaust, and where the specifics about how it would be carried out were formulated.

Hitler and Himmler wanted some amount of plausible deniability.

I would be remiss if I didn’t put a link to Martin Gilbert’s excellent book:

amazon.com/Holocaust-Martin-Gilbert/dp/0006371949/ref=pd_bbs_sr_8/102-6122889-6052935?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1184693837&sr=8-8

I don’t think abortion and the Holocaust are directly equivalent. In terms of horror and immorality and barbarity, however, they are very much similar beasts.

And one day we shall look upon all these dead babies and vow “Never again”.

 

[Teflon93]

I never thought of the abortion rights movement as a secular sacrament, but maybe you are correct that some think of it that way. Though I disagree with any Nazi similarity to the US government. We are a representative republic, and the abortion debate arose out of a twisted sense of equal protection/individual rights that did not take into account the protection and individual in the womb.

I think you’re correct. The road to Hell is paved with good intentions, right?

 

[cpayne]

I just thought I’d throw something else into the mix here. Many folks argue that even if the zygote is a “human,” it isn’t a “human person” and therefore doesn’t have personal rights to life. However, Aquinas defines “person” as an individual substance of rational nature. Since, as has already been argued in this thread, the rational soul is infused into the zygote at conception, the zygote fits the definition of “human person,” even if the zygote cannot demonstrate any rational or personal qualities as of yet. It possesses a rational nature.

 

[Kaninchen]

I would be remiss if I didn’t put a link to Martin Gilbert’s excellent book

Indeed you would, you would be mistaken to believe that some of us haven’t read all these books (and many, many more), however.