Pius X and Modernism

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Has anyone here led someone into the Church? How have you done it? Did you harshly condemn the person’s entire belief system, and try to introduce the faith from scratch? Or did you find common ground and then build from there?

It’s been my experience in evangelizing both lapsed or ignorant Catholics and non-Catholics that the latter is the most effective.
 
Hello Genesis, glad to see ya enter this thread…
Also, there is the example of St. Paul in Acts 17:23
Already discussed this one in post 46. And I totally get the point and agree that we find those elements of truth and use them as tools to convert.

If this part of the equation is not plugged in, we are doing nothing but making folks “comfortable” on their way to eternal damnation…(objectively speaking of course) and we’ll be held to account for it. It leads to the exact opposite of converting since it “gives rise to the belief that their admiration is not meant merely for the persons…but rather for the errors which these persons openly profess and which they do all in their power to propagate.” (loosely quoting Pascendi there). And this is nuts, because converting people to Christ is the very command of Christ to His Church (Matt 28:18-20)!

The problem I see, therefore, is this lack of the call to conversion coupled with the overflowing compliments and respect and praise heaped on these false religions. Check out my post 51, which cites the very profile from the Vatican on the THE PONTIFICAL COUNCIL FOR INTERRELIGIOUS DIALOGUE - which grew out of the very VII document we are discussing. It specifically lays out its goals - and conversion isn’t in there. In fact, it it’s methodology section, it specifically says that it is not a tool of conversion.
And Pius XI, in his encyclical on the missions Rerum Ecclesiae), says the Chinese’ “although pagan in large majority have a natural inclination towards solitude, prayer, and contemplation” which prepares them for the Gospel and contempletive life.
Again - I agree here with idenitying certain carachteristics that will be beneficial in the Christian life and as “first step” tools to convert. But here, Pope Pius XI is only saying that the cultural inclination to solitude, prayer, and contemplation among the Chinese has proved to make them good candidates for the monastic life.

All one has to do is read the first paragraph of Rerum Ecclesiae to know exactly where Pius XI is coming from…it’s all about conversion and all about winning souls for Christ…
In reviewing attentively the history of the Church, one cannot fail to notice how, from the first ages of Christianity, the especial care and solicitude of the Roman Pontiffs **have been directed to the end that they, undeterred by difficulties and obstacles, might spread the light of the Gospel and the benefits of Christian culture and civilization to the peoples who “sat in darkness and in the shadow of death.” The Church has no other reason for existence than, by developing the Kingdom of Christ on earth, to make mankind participate in the effects of His saving Redemption. **Whoever, by Divine Commission, takes the place on earth of Jesus Christ, becomes thereby the Chief Shepherd who, far from being able to rest content with simply guiding and protecting the Lord’s Flock which has beer; confided to him to rule, fails in his special duty and obligations if he does not strive by might and main to win over and to join to Christ all who are still without the Fold.
Peace in Christ,

DustinsDad
 
Has anyone here led someone into the Church? How have you done it? Did you harshly condemn the person’s entire belief system, and try to introduce the faith from scratch? Or did you find common ground and then build from there?

It’s been my experience in evangelizing both lapsed or ignorant Catholics and non-Catholics that the latter is the most effective.
You seem to have the premise that being explicit and clear and direct about the need for conversion and about the teachings of the Church is somehow “harsh”. I don’t think so. In fact, I think folks outside the Church respect it more when we are up front about these things and don’t try to hide them. And the Gospel can still be presented in a charitable way.

The hardest part of this sort of conversation, oftentimes, is trying to convince folks that the Catholic Church still believes people should and indeed need to convert. Especially when other catholics are around and jump in the conversation claiming you’re nuts for thinking such a stupid old-fasioned thing. I don’t blame the non-Catholics sometimes for not knowing what to think about it all.

Peace in Christ,

DustinsDad
 
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Genesis315;2684646]Maybe not or maybe so, I would have to re-read some things. But his predecessor and one of his later successors did.

Pius XII (Evangelii Praecones)
"This is the reason why the Catholic Church has neither scorned nor rejected the pagan philosophies. Instead, after freeing them from error and all contamination she has perfected and completed them by Christian revelation.
Show me in Nostra Aetate where there is a call to" free them from error and all contamination " and to perfect and complete them by Christian revelation.
Instead there is this:

MESSAGE OF THE PONTIFICAL COUNCIL
FOR INTERRELIGIOUS DIALOGUE
TO THE HINDUS ON THE FEAST OF DIWALI 2006
Dear Hindu Friends,
  1. As people seeking for the Absolute you will pause for a short while on your spiritual journey and celebrate joyfully Deepavali, your ancient religious feast, which for you signifies the victory of truth over untruth, light over darkness, good over evil and life over death. On behalf of the Pontifical Council for Interreligious Dialogue I wish Hindus all over the world a happy feast of Diwali.
    vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/interelg/documents/rc_pc_interelg_doc
]Vatican/World Council of Churches study on conversion affirms freedom of religion, warns about "obsession of converting others"
Freedom of religion is a fundamental, inviolable and non-negotiable right of every human being in every country in the world," states the report of the 12-16 May meeting in Lariano/Velletri, near Rome, that launched the cooperative study.

“Freedom of religion connotes the freedom, without any obstruction, to practice one’s own faith, freedom to propagate the teachings of one’s faith to people of one’s own and other faiths, and also the freedom to embrace another faith out of one’s own free choice,” the report goes on.

But this right entails the “equally non-negotiable responsibility to respect faiths other than our own, and never to denigrate, vilify or misrepresent them for the purpose of affirming superiority of our faith”. Moreover, the “right to invite others to an understanding” of one’s own faith “should not be exercised by violating other’s rights and religious sensibilities”.

The report makes a bold recommendation:** “All should heal themselves from the obsession of converting others**”. Acknowledging that “errors have been perpetrated and injustice committed by the adherents of every faith,” it suggests that “it is incumbent on every community to conduct honest self-critical examination” of its historical record as well as its doctrines."

www2.wcc-coe.org/pressreleasesen.nsf/index/pu-06-04.html
 
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