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"Will those people surrender? Never. But that’s because they know their faith, and they are prepared to suffer for it — and have been doing. There is no way, though, that any orthodox Christian who is less than fully committed, in a consciously sacrificial spirit, is going to hold on to his or her faith through what’s coming . The cost — social and professional — is going to be too high.

Not only that, but the new normal, particularly around transgender, is, and is becoming, so pervasive that David French’s “traditional religious believers” will come to doubt their own sanity. Certainly their children will doubt what they’re taught at home. I had more than a few conversations this past weekend with parents of young children who are making exit preparations from their home state if they conclude that the environment is too toxic for their children…""

 
I might not agree with the opinions of the organizations they donate to but I still don’t understand why all the backlash. There needs to be a moment where we all learn to live and let live.

Besides, their chicken is tasty.
 
I go there sometimes because their food is good, especially the fries, and the service is also always very good, which is not the case with all fast food restaurants.
The main reasons I don’t go there more often is that they don’t have locations near my workplace, the lines at their drive-throughs get VERY long, and their prices are on the high side for fast food.

I could not care less where their founder or CEO or whatever donates his money. I am buying a chicken sandwich, not a political platform.
 
This is exactly right. They are not as ubiquitous as McDonalds. And buying a chicken sandwich is not a political platform, except to the intolerant left.
 
Better service and cleaner restaurants and better food than other fast food places I’ve visited. More expensive though. They used to send coupons for free sandwiches. That was about the only time I went.

I don’t pay any attention to all that boycott nonsense. Apparently most people don’t either. It is always packed. The boycotts even seemed to have backfired. A few years ago when there were boycotts other people made it a point to go and the lines were halfway down the block.
 
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This is exactly right. They are not as ubiquitous as McDonalds. And buying a chicken sandwich is not a political platform, except to the intolerant left.
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And yet there are multiple lists available online of companies that good Catholics should avoid because they are aligned with Planned Parenthood. Are good Catholics part of the “intolerant left”? If Catholics can or should boycott companies for political reasons, it seems likely that others will do the same according to their own beliefs.
 
As far as I’m concerned, people can boycott who they want and I’ll boycott who I want and we’ll all be happy. I don’t expect people to all agree with my boycotts and vice versa.
 
To me it is more of a problem that government entities are banning Chik-fil-a from towns and airports. That seems different from people simply deciding to not buy from them.
 
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This is exactly right. They are not as ubiquitous as McDonalds. And buying a chicken sandwich is not a political platform, except to the intolerant left.
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You DO know the left and the right are just idiolgy spectrum of communal organization of government vs detached individualism? Neither side or system is wrong or right, it’s the application of those systems and who gets left behind.

Now I’ll grant you for the sake of disclosure I’m more left leaning mostly because I find right wing policy creates more poverty.

That said it’s still a spectrum and I feel we should embrace an idea on it’s merits and less where it falls on that scale.
 
While I’m aware of the airport bans, which don’t really bother me because airports are a relatively small part of the picture and the bans may well be litigated, is there an actual example of Chik-fil-A being banned from a town over this?

I am unable to find any articles where a town banned Chik-fil-A, and in fact years ago when this first came up, most commentators, even gay-friendly ones, noted that it would be a huge First Amendment violation for a town to enact such a ban. It would seem that any such ban would immediately head straight for the courts and probably be overturned, especially since Chik-fil-A does not refuse to serve food to gay people or anything like that.

 
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I messed up: towns are banning Chik-fil-A from airports–the San Antonio airport and the Buffalo-Niagra airports.

However, this might be illegal. The TX AG is looking into it.

The fact that government entities are even thinking about it, regardless of whether they can, bothers me.
 
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Government entities are not the sharpest knives in the drawer. Government entities tend to award their restaurant franchises based heavily on patronage and what will get them votes. That’s all they care about is votes and big money donors. Which is why we need a Constitution and AGs to apply it.
 
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This is exactly right. They are not as ubiquitous as McDonalds. And buying a chicken sandwich is not a political platform, except to the intolerant left.
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And yet there are multiple lists available online of companies that good Catholics should avoid because they are aligned with Planned Parenthood. Are good Catholics part of the “intolerant left”? If Catholics can or should boycott companies for political reasons, it seems likely that others will do the same according to their own beliefs.
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If individuals or even groups of people want to boycott a place like Chick-fil-A, that’s ok - it’s their right. Private citizens can boycott whomever they want.

It becomes an issue when it is a city/county/state or public sector entity (like an airport or state university).

Could you imagine the backlash if an airport or state university banded a restaurant or coffee shop because they supported Planned Parenthood?
 
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This stuff is also one step away from just taking economic revenge on businesses if their CEO supports a candidate you don’t like.
"Oh, the head of such-and-such chain store donated to the Trump campaign. Let’s ban his store from our town. If you don’t agree, you’re obviously a bigot and a hater. "

Stupidity that I hope the courts do their thing and nip in the bud right now.
 
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This stuff is also one step away from just taking economic revenge on businesses if their CEO supports a candidate you don’t like.
"Oh, the head of such-and-such chain store donated to the Trump campaign. Let’s ban his store from our town. If you don’t agree, you’re obviously a bigot and a hater. "

Stupidity that I hope the courts do their thing and nip in the bud right now.
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Yeap, that’s why I’m generally against boycotts.

I don’t think it’s fair to punish the average worker for the sins of the executives, UNLESS the entire corporation and corporate culture is pushing the agenda.

That’s what makes Google different from Starbucks. While there might be a lot of left leaning employees at Starbucks, the employees there are just serving coffee and tea. And if they every started to become “in your face” activists, people can simply get their coffee elsewhere.

But at Google, a lot of employees are writing programs to identify “hate speech” from the right while ignoring “hate speech” from the left. Google and the other huge tech companies have a direct impact on our individual lives, an impact that’s hard to ignore and avoid.

A chain restaurant does not have that impact on our daily lives.

So while I’m personally NOT boycotting Goggle, I can understand a boycott against a big tech company more than I can understand one against a chain restaurant.

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IDK, I’m not really in favor for different standards for one boycott vs the other boycott.

A boycott as an individual choice is fine. I have a number of businesses I don’t shop at because I don’t like how they conduct their business in some way - either pushing too much politics at me while providing a product/ service I don’t like, or engaging in manufacturing processes I don’t like, or giving poor customer service. As an example, I usually avoid eating Ben and Jerry’s ice cream for some years now. But that’s different from my town voting to not put in a Ben and Jerry’s because they push politics along with the ice cream. They should make a decision about putting in Ben and Jerry’s the same way they decide for any other business, like does the zoning allow it, is it a good fit for the neighborhood, is it able to pay the rent, etc.
 
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IDK, I’m not really in favor for different standards for one boycott vs the other boycott.

A boycott as an individual choice is fine. I have a number of businesses I don’t shop at because I don’t like how they conduct their business in some way - either pushing too much politics at me while providing a product/ service I don’t like, or engaging in manufacturing processes I don’t like, or giving poor customer service. As an example, I usually avoid eating Ben and Jerry’s ice cream for some years now. But that’s different from my town voting to not put in a Ben and Jerry’s because they push politics along with the ice cream. They should make a decision about putting in Ben and Jerry’s the same way they decide for any other business, like does the zoning allow it, is it a good fit for the neighborhood, is it able to pay the rent, etc.
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Oh I totally agree.

What I mean by “boycotting” is organized boycott.

Individuals can pick and choose who the do business with for whatever reasons.
 
Meh. The Right boycotts, too. Unless you’re Amish and make everything, you’re going to run into this kind of scenario with where you spend your money. I only avoid Chick-a-Filet because I’m vegetarian, and they don’t have a lot for me to eat. But that’s just Free Market 101.

I may get flamed for this, but I don’t boycott businesses if I know the owner gives to Planned Parenthood or other unethical causes. I can’t micromanage how business owners spend the money they earn and will drive myself crazy if I try.

I draw the line at more active involvement in unethical activity. I will readily boycott a company using horrible labor practices, for example. It was also a no-brainer for me to boycott this local business. https://www.portlandmercury.com/events/21549778/ice-cream-for-planned-parenthood
 
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