Please help me responding to this man's attack on Von Balthasar

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(In response to me defending his writings)
  • It is Newspeak in that he speaks in a flowery code. In fact, he speaks like a Gnostic. He gives poetry to the poets, and dissatisfaction to the dissenters. All the intellectuals have lined up behind him, and you count yourself among them.
Well, that is the Modernist method of determining the truth of a matter: take a poll. There’s no need for you to defend your position, the weight of proof is all upon me, right? How convenient for you! It’s a great place to be. So warm and comfy. Is this your method of proving Balthasar’s arguments, by personifying the “empty shell” of orthodoxy? If so, you are making a compelling argument.

You champion him because authorities have told you he is a holy man. That’s Modernism. Balthasar is a Humanist who attracts Modernists. His writings are Modernistic. He trades relativisms and discards absolutes, especially Medieval absolutes (which are still, I assure you, our absolutes).

“But now that the world has become spherical, there is no longer any place from which one’s gaze can take in everything; one must set oneself in motion: the only way to explore the land of truth is by changing one’s standpoint.”

“The land of truth”. You probably like that very much. You probably think that’s deep. Theology is about logic. It is a science. Poetry that pretends to be theology is beneath contempt. Perhaps Balthasar has provided dilettantes who can’t get the hang of syllogisms a way to participate, but we don’t have to take them too seriously, do we?

“The Fathers, the Scholastics, and Ourselves” is an essay in which Balthasar begins by damning the Fathers of the Church with faint praise, then he deconstructs the historical basis behind their writings, and finally he throws them under the bus. He tells us that while we can use the Fathers of the Church as a useful icon, their writings are “distorted by any rationalization” that “covered up” the “unadulterated fountain”. Why read ancient texts (maybe in Latin!) when you can sit back with a cool glass of Balthasar and enjoy the “primitive tradition” (echoes of Calvin?) from the “unadulterated fountain” (certainly Protestant).

“It is important to know that this feeling of a ‘double truth’, which usually comes on precisely the best and most enthusiastic students, is not the sign of something improper. The two perspectives that split apart here can no more be made to coincide with one another than can divine and human truth, Church and world, or the divine and the human natures in Christ and the manner of knowledge proper to each of these natures in him. The Christian is charged absolutely to bear this tension and extension, but also increasingly to bring it under control and to clear a path for himself through it.”

For a true Christian, of course, such a thing is impossible. There can be no contradiction between divine and human truth. Any idea, system of ideas, religion, or intellectual discipline which runs contrary to the revealed Gospel of Christ is simply false.

Perhaps you have been hypnotized by Balthasar’s gratuitous use of poetic imagery and dense metaphors. I have noticed that many people when they can’t understand someone simply cheer (when they are an approved source) or jeer (when the current winds are against).*

I want to respond precisely, truthfully, goodly, and theologically beautifully, but I am not sure how. He comes off as having a reactive manipulative agenda since is putting so many words in people’s mouths and misinterpreting Balthasar so often.

This same person also doesn’t consider anything after Vat II to be truly Catholic…so there is that…I am not how I can reason theologic with a person in that place.
 
Well…for his work as a theologian, Hans Urs von Balthasar was named a Cardinal by Pope Saint John Paul II – which is a higher and more noble tribute than any words I or anyone could begin to offer.

And if his critic denies the singular and august benefit of Vatican II in the life and history of the Church while claiming to be Catholic, that is itself a judgement upon the man…may God have mercy upon his immortal soul. I consider such a person to be truly not worth wasting my breath over. I pity him and pray for him for self evident is the worth of that most venerable of the ecumenical councils.
 
(In response to me defending his writings)
  • It is Newspeak in that he speaks in a flowery code. In fact, he speaks like a Gnostic. He gives poetry to the poets, and dissatisfaction to the dissenters. All the intellectuals have lined up behind him, and you count yourself among them.
Well, that is the Modernist method of determining the truth of a matter: take a poll. There’s no need for you to defend your position, the weight of proof is all upon me, right? How convenient for you! It’s a great place to be. So warm and comfy. Is this your method of proving Balthasar’s arguments, by personifying the “empty shell” of orthodoxy? If so, you are making a compelling argument.

You champion him because authorities have told you he is a holy man. That’s Modernism. Balthasar is a Humanist who attracts Modernists. His writings are Modernistic. He trades relativisms and discards absolutes, especially Medieval absolutes (which are still, I assure you, our absolutes).

“But now that the world has become spherical, there is no longer any place from which one’s gaze can take in everything; one must set oneself in motion: the only way to explore the land of truth is by changing one’s standpoint.”

“The land of truth”. You probably like that very much. You probably think that’s deep. Theology is about logic. It is a science. Poetry that pretends to be theology is beneath contempt. Perhaps Balthasar has provided dilettantes who can’t get the hang of syllogisms a way to participate, but we don’t have to take them too seriously, do we?

“The Fathers, the Scholastics, and Ourselves” is an essay in which Balthasar begins by damning the Fathers of the Church with faint praise, then he deconstructs the historical basis behind their writings, and finally he throws them under the bus. He tells us that while we can use the Fathers of the Church as a useful icon, their writings are “distorted by any rationalization” that “covered up” the “unadulterated fountain”. Why read ancient texts (maybe in Latin!) when you can sit back with a cool glass of Balthasar and enjoy the “primitive tradition” (echoes of Calvin?) from the “unadulterated fountain” (certainly Protestant).

“It is important to know that this feeling of a ‘double truth’, which usually comes on precisely the best and most enthusiastic students, is not the sign of something improper. The two perspectives that split apart here can no more be made to coincide with one another than can divine and human truth, Church and world, or the divine and the human natures in Christ and the manner of knowledge proper to each of these natures in him. The Christian is charged absolutely to bear this tension and extension, but also increasingly to bring it under control and to clear a path for himself through it.”

For a true Christian, of course, such a thing is impossible. There can be no contradiction between divine and human truth. Any idea, system of ideas, religion, or intellectual discipline which runs contrary to the revealed Gospel of Christ is simply false.

Perhaps you have been hypnotized by Balthasar’s gratuitous use of poetic imagery and dense metaphors. I have noticed that many people when they can’t understand someone simply cheer (when they are an approved source) or jeer (when the current winds are against).*

I want to respond precisely, truthfully, goodly, and theologically beautifully, but I am not sure how. He comes off as having a reactive manipulative agenda since is putting so many words in people’s mouths and misinterpreting Balthasar so often.

This same person also doesn’t consider anything after Vat II to be truly Catholic…so there is that…I am not how I can reason theologic with a person in that place.
I have never even heard of Fr Balthasar so I cannot really give an opinion ,but tell you there is very much thinly veiled anti catholic sentiment in many writings. Many people attack the faith and the clergy.
 
Your verbose opponent rejects the Second Vatican Council, and that is the real problem, not Von Balthasar, and this will be the stumbling block in any argument I could make. As was already mentioned, Balthasar was held in great esteem by Venerable Pope Paul VI (who appointed him to the International Theological Commission), Pope Saint John Paul II (who named him a Cardinal), and Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI (who had this to say about him ignatiusinsight.com/features2005/benxvi_praiseshub_oct05.asp ), but this will mean little to your sparring partner since they are all post-conciliar popes, and indeed, all of them participated at the Council one way or another.

Much of Balthasar’s writings were in response to Modernism, and the challenging ideas he sometimes proposed are in no way opposed to true orthodoxy. Rejecting the Second Vatican Council, however, is very much opposed to true orthodoxy!
 
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