POLL: Catholic Conference -- not ecumenical?

[James_2_24]

We recently had a Catholic Conference in our town. Two gentlemen came: Michael Cumbie & Alex Jones. It was put on by a particular parish.

The Title of the Conference was:

1st Annual Triumph of Truth

The slogan on fliers handed out was:

Two Former Protestant Ministers… Two different theologies… Now united in One Faith, the Catholic Church.

Apparently the parish that put this on has angered other parishes around the diocese by the lack of “sensitivity” of the name of this conference as well as the slogan on the flier. Other parishes as well as the BISHOP were furious at the titles. Claiming that they will do more harm than good… and they were not ecumenical at all… What is your opinion??

 

[bengal_fan]

as a protestant minister i find no problem with the title of the conference. not that this is a reason to be insensitive, but with the amount of anti-catholic rhetoric in many protestant circles how could any of them have the audacity to be offended by the title and slogan of that conference? i know that it seems like it was mostly other parishes and the bishop who were offended but still i don’t see why. now, on the other hand, i am a protestant minister who is in a catholic forum because i am researching the catholic church and it’s doctrines to see if the claims made by the church are true and it is where i am supposed to be as a follower of Christ, so i might not be the most objective person.

 

[James_2_24]

EENS:

That is ridiculous… protestantism is error. They are triumphing over error. I cannot believe a Bishop woudl oppose that. That is just absurd.

God bless.

My thoughts exactly!
God Bless

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[James_2_24]

bengal_fan:

as a protestant minister i find no problem with the title of the conference.

Thank you for your response. I know of at least two other Protestant Ministers with the same opinion. I suspect that most non-Catholics would NOT be offended by the title. I believe they either will be interested out of curiosity or simply shrug it off.

May God Bless you on your Faith journey. I will keep you in my prayers

 

[cmom]

I can see there is no problem in theory, but then again I won’t want to offend my nice Baptist neighbor next door either.

I would change the Triumph Of Truth to something like Teaching the Truth.

 

[James_2_24]

cmom:

I would change the Triumph Of Truth to something like Teaching the Truth.

Then the Bishop and parishes would just have ANOTHER reason to complain. They would say… "This is not ecumenical because it says ‘Teaching the Truth’ the Protestants will say: 'As opposed to what? Our ‘error’ ?! "

You see the suggestion by the Bishop was to take out “Former Protestant Ministers” and replace it with “Catholic Evangelists” and take out “Two former theologies” completely. And totally change Triumph of Truth to something else… for fear of offending someone

 

[pnewton]

I agree everything listed in the first post was true, but the Bishop is the head of the parish and what he orders should be followed for obedience sake if for no other reason.

I find such nomenclature only mildly offensive and occasionally humorous when I see it. I remember last year driving down the street with a visiting priest, Fr. Tobe Nnamani from Nigeria. He was unfamiliar with the Disciples of Christ denomination. We passed a sign the said First Christian Church. His eyes widen and he asked, “Do they think they go back to Jerusalem, but we’re the First Church”, etc. We had a good laugh after I explained the meaning of the sign.

 

[DrCat]

Personally, I see no problem with it. I have some Protestant colleagues who just came in to pick up their pay checks. I showed the thread to them, and they all agreed that there was nothing wrong with it.

John

 

[EsclavoDeCristo]

It’s hard for me to understand some of these priests and bishops who are more concerned with political correctness than with living a moral life and spreading Truth, which is Jesus Christ!

I would suggest that these disagreeing priests quit watching so much tv and instead spend more time in prayer! Only then will they discover the peace of Christ and the joy of His bride.

 

[James_2_24]

EsclavoDeCristo:

It’s hard for me to understand some of these priests and bishops who are more concerned with political correctness than with living a moral life and spreading Truth, which is Jesus Christ!

I would suggest that these disagreeing priests quit watching so much tv and instead spend more time in prayer! Only then will they discover the peace of Christ and the joy of His bride.

 

[kathygleeson27]

True, what you said about the political correctness of the priests and bishops. About leading good lives etc. Also the peace of Christ and the joy of His Bride the Catholic Church.

The priests are men also and higher than the angels when it comes to priestly functions bestowed by the bishops on their day of ordination.One should pray for these priests and bishops to guide us

 

[JonNC]

I can see there is no problem in theory, but then again I won’t want to offend my nice Baptist neighbor next door either.

I would change the Triumph Of Truth to something like Teaching the Truth.

How about “triumph of unity”?

Jon

 

[kathygleeson27]

I myself not a theologian but, I keep studying the about the Catholic Faith and what my mom has advised me to do when talking to Protestant friends about our Catholic Faith.

When I was working with a very nice Protestant worker, about the state of affairs in our world, I agreed with her about the situation it was in. I had my own private ecumenical with so and so. I told C- God knows what is in one’s heart, the position they stand with Him about getting to heaven. We don’t judge a person because they are not Catholic, but leave them to God and pray for them to see the light. To show them a good example of what a Catholic is suppose to do to get to heaven.

When Our Lord was being judged by Pilate in His Passion Pilate said “What is truth?”

Another -The Truth shall set Thee Free. St. Paul, Apostle,

 

[anon5216]

I see no problem at all with the title or description, and I left the Catholic Church years ago in favor of Indian spirituality.

The slogan/description is very important. It’s telling everyone exactly what the event was about and who the speakers were. The people who might wonder about why to convert from Protestantism to Catholicism would want to hear from an actual Protestant convert. To not let people know this detail makes no sense at all.

The title itself is also not offensive in any way, and I don’t even believe the Catholic Church has “The Truth, the whole Truth and nothing but the Truth”.

From my perspective, the “Triumph of Truth” title is the slogan, and the “Two Former Protestant Ministers…” is an honest, accurate description of the event.

 

[kathygleeson27]

I see no problem at all with the title or description, and I left the Catholic Church years ago in favor of Indian spirituality.

The slogan/description is very important. It’s telling everyone exactly what the event was about and who the speakers were. The people who might wonder about why to convert from Protestantism to Catholicism would want to hear from an actual Protestant convert. To not let people know this detail makes no sense at all.

The title itself is also not offensive in any way, and I don’t even believe the Catholic Church has “The Truth, the whole Truth and nothing but the Truth”.

From my perspective, the “Triumph of Truth” title is the slogan, and the “Two Former Protestant Ministers…” is an honest, accurate description of the event.

One time I had a cousin of the same Catholic faith as I was. She asked me How does God know? I replied God’s mind is INFINITE, our minds are finite. God knows all things,past, present and the future. He allows things to happened for His Own Honor and Glory. He may allow evil to happened but out of it comes good so that evil does not continue. He knows there is only so much a
a sinner can bear in their sufferrings, and The Church’s sufferings beyond their endurance. That is what happened to His own Blessed Mother, and the Saints The Church Triumphant without God’s help we can not do anything.

The Protestants are almost there, that is what the Little Flower St. Therase said. I too, noticed that about my Protestant friends, while I was working they asked me about my faith, they said I knew more about my faith than other Catholics did. I continue to study and practice my faith. I still pray for my Protestant friends

 

[wisdomseeker]

I see now that the Church is coming back to uphold the Truth stopping the waterdown of our faith to please others.

what i see many Catholics doing is that they became like them instead of becoming one of them to bring them into our faith.

that is what St Paul did. he became one of them to bring them into what the faith of our Lord. St Paul did not adopt their beliefs system. He brought them into his belief. that is what many Catholics got confused. and that is why we see many Catholics adopting their ways of worshipping. bringing confusion into the Church.

with this so called ecumenism led all other religions to believe that the CC is just another religion just like the others. is it really what we want others to believe?

hope this make sense to you all.

:byzsoc:

 

[Br.Rich_SFO]

We recently had a Catholic Conference in our town. Two gentlemen came: Michael Cumbie & Alex Jones. It was put on by a particular parish.

The Title of the Conference was:

1st Annual Triumph of Truth

The slogan on fliers handed out was:

Two Former Protestant Ministers… Two different theologies… Now united in One Faith, the Catholic Church.

Apparently the parish that put this on has angered other parishes around the diocese by the lack of “sensitivity” of the name of this conference as well as the slogan on the flier. Other parishes as well as the BISHOP were furious at the titles. Claiming that they will do more harm than good… and they were not ecumenical at all… What is your opinion??

The answer is in the title. As long as they were TRUTHful and didn’t propose half truths and lies about their journey. More parishes should host them.

 

[kathygleeson27]

I see now that the Church is coming back to uphold the Truth stopping the waterdown of our faith to please others.

what i see many Catholics doing is that they became like them instead of becoming one of them to bring them into our faith.

that is what St Paul did. he became one of them to bring them into what the faith of our Lord. St Paul did not adopt their beliefs system. He brought them into his belief. that is what many Catholics got confused. and that is why we see many Catholics adopting their ways of worshipping. bringing confusion into the Church.

with this so called ecumenism led all other religions to believe that the CC is just another religion just like the others. is it really what we want others to believe?

hope this make sense to you all.

:byzsoc:

Thank God for you message, you know what I am seeing and what I am trying to let other Catholics and Protestants see. A person can have elequent words etc. and not have charity in their heart. Like the sounding of a brass bell or tinkling of a cymbal. By a person’s good works you will know them. Good works bring forth good fruit. We have a suffering, crosses, we offer them up to God, like a sacrifice, pleasing to God on the altar. The Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. You mentioned it being watered down-How true it is!!! There are many good souls out there who see the same thing, you byzsoc and I see, they are wondering about like lost sheep. We have to show them a good example what True Roman Catholic Church is- not watered down. That is like a daily cross for a Catholic to carry. Even in one’s own family.

 

[wisdomseeker]

Thank God for you message, you know what I am seeing and what I am trying to let other Catholics and Protestants see. A person can have elequent words etc. and not have charity in their heart. Like the sounding of a brass bell or tinkling of a cymbal. By a person’s good works you will know them. Good works bring forth good fruit. We have a suffering, crosses, we offer them up to God, like a sacrifice, pleasing to God on the altar. The Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. You mentioned it being watered down-How true it is!!! There are many good souls out there who see the same thing, you byzsoc and I see, they are wondering about like lost sheep. We have to show them a good example what True Roman Catholic Church is- not watered down. That is like a daily cross for a Catholic to carry. Even in one’s own family.

thank you. sometimes it is hard to put into words on what is really going on today.

:byzsoc: