Pontifical Academy of Life uses ultra-considerate (social) language regarding abortions

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Just wanted you to consider this: Pontifical Academy of Life (ultra-smart Vatican think tank, Vatican Curia official have 11 pontifical academies Pontifical Academies - Index whose members are the top world scientists and whose plenary sessions from time to time are receiving the greetings and introductory speeches from the Pope Himself) issues new note regarding the update abortion laws in Italy:
Note Guidelines on Pharmacological abortion in Italy

This not has text in bold which I would like to cite here:
To recoup, we need to talk seriously about a commitment to give women (and couples), really, every possible support to prevent abortion by overcoming those difficulties, even economic ones, that can make abortion a “fate” that is not really “chosen”—the result of negative circumstances that render the thought of having a child difficult or even unbearable and that, in some ways, have pushed Italy, with other countries and even more than others, toward that demographic winter whose consequences we are beginning to see.

I just wanted to point how delicate this language is. There is nothing of hard-line pro-life/pro-choice dichotomy that would call for the overthrow of government, for the new referendums, for the voting choices, about the condemnation to hell some politicians or even entire parties and half-country of citizens, etc.

This is about all the economic and social assistance to make the thought and choice of having a baby a really possible, rational and emotionally fullfulling choice. It is not about the cold law that condemns women and her partner and her relatives to the fate of having unwanted child or children which can no be grown and educated with scarce resource. This is about assitance from the society, this is about charity, about love, about taking into account the women and her partner as persons, as living human beings.

Just wanted to say - how happy I am when - after experiencing all those cold hardline toughts from the CAF crowds - that after then I can go to the best pages of Vatican and read the smartest minds among catholics and hear so much wisdom, humility, charity and understanding.

Sometimes I thing - Vatican II would never happen if the fate of the Church had been determined by the lay crowds. But who knows? Maybe the more loving and understanding catholics are underrepresented in CAF?
 
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To be honest. People can issue cold pro-choice prohibition laws. But I have always considered that for God the couple’s choice to have/to have not abortion is not the single yes/now answer. God, in His decision to weight the couple’s decision, takes all the context into account and also, the state of conscience.

And that have consequences as well. The decision about abortion is thing that can bound other people by the threat of sin as well. If the society (we as individuals) is not doing enough to create economic and social circumstances that allow pro-baby decisions, then we are sinners as well - because we have not provided glass for water for those in needs. This is about social and economic charity.

What I don’t know is - how God counts the political activism which comes without charity. Is such political activism (some people are calling it “throat cooling”) without practical deeds of some worth? Bible have this:
We played the pipe for you,
and you did not dance;
we sang a dirge,
and you did not mourn.
How worth if such playing and singing if it is only about making cold laws and not about charity and love?
 
I’m glad you found this.
There is a persistent myth/narrative among pro-legalized abortion folks that those persons who oppose abortion only care about the fetus before it’s born.

It’s a lie, of course, but it persists.

At the same time, one can never give the go ahead for another person to kill innocent lives, and can never participate in such an act.

And we have data that shows that the ripple effects of an abortion last for years and decades for a woman and her family…

The pro legal abortion crowd doesn’t like that information to be out there, but it is.
 
I am social-liberal voter, but it is good that social-liberal group Renew Europe (France En Marche, etc.) is putting so much emphasis on equality of women and man. And this effort for equality also includes so much affirmative action for women to consider its role for bearing, nurturing and educating children. At least in my country to biggest and technologically advance tech companies are putting great emphasis on this equality aspect for women - more flexible working schedule, work from home, different rooms for children in company premises, etc.

Social-liberal strive for gender equality has lot of social and economic consequences which effectively correct the free markets to remove disadvantages from the womens and couples lives due to having children. Right-wing laissez-faire politicians (in opposite) are thinking that free markets can correct such injustices themselves. I have heard that Republicans are for shorter paid vacations which mothers or couple can have in the first months/years after born of baby. So - this should be factored in the voting decisions as well.
 
While it’s correct that European nations have longer maternity leaves than in the US, I’m confused where you got this idea that it’s was a bunch of dastardly Republican scoundrels who caused it to be this way.

You need to go back and study US economics and social conditions and find out why the US is the way it is, and I can assure you it won’t boil down to Republican Demons vs Democrat Angels 🤣🤣🤣
 
How we got this way is long and complex. But today, which side has the poor and vulnerable in mind, for example in the coronavirus economic stimulus? That is also a Pro-Life issue.
 
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Just an example. But I also appreciate the language in OP. We have got to communicate better.
 
The war against abortion in Italy has been going on for 50 years and is extremely hard and complex.

You can’t take a sentence from a document and make judgments.

This does not mean that the front against abortion in Italy is unitary: “Italian” and “unitary” are an oxymoron.

So I’m not saying it’s forbidden to opine.

But you need to know the history, the law, the current situation sufficiently.

Without controversy, but it is as if I contested what the pro-lives in the US did after the Roe vs Wade case, without having studied it thoroughly: I would rightly receive complaints 😉
 
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