Pope Benedict XVI on Islam

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As Joseph Ratzinger, Pope Benedict XVI’s, most extended comments on Islam came in 1997’s The Salt of the Earth, a book-length interview with German journalist Peter Seewald

*"I think that first we must recognize that Islam is not a uniform thing. In fact, there is no single authority for all Muslims, and for this reason dialogue with Islam is always dialogue with certain groups. No one can speak for Islam as a whole; it has, as it were, no commonly regarded orthodoxy. And, to prescind from the schism between Sunnis and Shiites, it also exists in many varieties. There is a noble Islam, embodied, for example, by the King of Morocco, and there is also the extremist, terrorist Islam, which, again, one must not identify with Islam as a whole, which would do it an injustice. *

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Maranatha:
As Joseph Ratzinger, Pope Benedict XVI’s, most extended comments on Islam came in 1997’s The Salt of the Earth, a book-length interview with German journalist Peter Seewald

*"I think that first we must recognize that Islam is not a uniform thing. In fact, there is no single authority for all Muslims, and for this reason dialogue with Islam is always dialogue with certain groups. No one can speak for Islam as a whole; it has, as it were, no commonly regarded orthodoxy. And, to prescind from the schism between Sunnis and Shiites, it also exists in many varieties. There is a noble Islam, embodied, for example, by the King of Morocco, and there is also the extremist, terrorist Islam, which, again, one must not identify with Islam as a whole, which would do it an injustice. *

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Does this not also apply to Judiasm? There is no single authority fro all Jews or is there???
 
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Karin:
Does this not also apply to Judiasm? There is no single authority fro all Jews or is there???
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No there is not, and that presents a problem for the Vatican as well, as we have seen in the news accounts of late.
 
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gilliam:
No there is not, and that presents a problem for the Vatican as well, as we have seen in the news accounts of late.
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Yes …😦
 
Hi all!

Gilliam, you are correct. We currently have no such single authority. We had such an authority & will have one again when the Messiah comes. This authority is the Sanhedrin (see ou.org/about/judaism/sanhedrin.htm & jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/Sanhedrin.html). It’s authority is, so we believe, referred to in Deuteronomy 17:8-11.
If there arise a matter too hard for you in judgment, between blood and blood, between plea and plea, and between stroke and stroke, even matters of controversy within your gates; then you shall arise, and get you up unto the place which the Lord your God shall choose. And you shall come unto the priests the Levites, and unto the judge that shall be in those days; and you shall inquire; and they shall declare unto you the sentence of judgment. And you shall do according to the tenor of the sentence, which they shall declare unto you from that place which the Lord shall choose; and you shall observe to do according to all that they shall teach you. According to the Torah which they shall teach you, and according to the judgment which they shall tell you, you shall do; you shall not turn aside from the sentence which they shall declare unto you, to the right hand, nor to the left.
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Howzat?

Be well!

ssv 👋
 
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stillsmallvoice:
Hi Karin!

What so-called “Conservative”, “Reform”, “Reconstructionist”, “Flavor of the Month” (sorry, I just couldn’t help myself!) & other cafeteria Jews believe is of no account. Traditional, normative, historical Judaism is orthodox. (See forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?p=342327&highlight=Conservative#post342327).

Be well!

ssv 👋
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We’ll I believe His Eminence’s original point was without a central authority it’s diffecult to determine who is orthodox in Islam. I guess the same question could be asked of Judaism.
 
We’ll I believe His Eminence’s original point was without a central authority it’s diffecult to determine who is orthodox in Islam. I guess the same question could be asked of Judaism.
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While this is true to some extent (just look at how much disagreement there is even within Orthodox Judaism), it’s a little bit different with the Jews.

Unlike Islam, Jews have a very long tradition of practice to draw from, with a few very consistant elements. The variations that we see in the modern world are defined precisely because of their abandoning those consistant elements in favor of new ideas. The non-Orthodox practices are no more than 200 years old. There are big differences within Orthodox Judaism to be sure, the place of Zionism and the nation of Israel is a big one, but Orthodox Jews can be recognized by their firm upholding of consistant values and ideas going back for thousands of years. Islam is divided from the very beginning, Orthodox Judaism is divided almost exclusively in how to deal with modern situations, based on the same ancient rules of practice.
 
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stillsmallvoice:
Hi Karin!

What so-called “Conservative”, “Reform”, “Reconstructionist”, “Flavor of the Month” (sorry, I just couldn’t help myself!) & other cafeteria Jews believe is of no account. Traditional, normative, historical Judaism is orthodox. (See forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?p=342327&highlight=Conservative#post342327).

Be well!

ssv 👋
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Is there such a thing as orthodox Judaism ? If it can do without animal sacrifice and Sanhedrin - maybe it can do without what the Sanhedrin helped to ensure. It managed to survive the loss of land & king: maybe it can do with very little, including the notion of orthodoxy, yet survive as Jewish.​

The Egyptian Jews survived the loss of their Temple in 410 BC - BTW, is theirs reckoned to have been legitimate ? ##
 
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