Pope Francins on Jews

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When a Jewish person prays to the Father he is also praying
to Jesus because the Father and Jesus are one.
The only way to the Father is through Jesus. The Father and the Son and the HS are the same substance but different persons. I would think that the Jews would have to recognize Jesus as a separate person from His Father. There are those who are still waiting for the Messiah to come so I doubt they think they are praying to Jesus when they pray to God
 
The only way to the Father is through Jesus. The Father and the Son and the HS are the same substance but different persons. I would think that the Jews would have to recognize Jesus as a separate person from His Father. There are those who are still waiting for the Messiah to come so I doubt they think they are praying to Jesus when they pray to God
It seems to me that the “Lord’s Prayer” is directed to the Father.
 
It seems to me that the “Lord’s Prayer” is directed to the Father.
Yes it is. But do Jews who are still waiting for the Messiah recognize this prayer? I don’t think so. I don’t think they recognize the NT.
 
We need to be careful that we are not making ourselves victims of two-dimensional thinking: i.e., "The only way to the Father is through Jesus, therefore unless someone accepts Jesus according to the way I understand it…"

God is not limited in his efforts to save people, nor do denominational lines prove to be borders to the Almighty. Case in point, “The Song of Bernadette.”

The Academy-Award winning film about the saint who spoke to Our Lady and discovered the healing waters of Lourdes was based on the best-selling novel of the same name. The author, Franz Werfel, was a Jew.

Werfel and his wife barely escaped Nazi hands in Austria after the Anschluss. In fact Werfel was personally targeted by Adolf Hitler who spared no expense to seek his murder (Hitler even had the state news falsely report that Werfel had been captured and killed to cover up the fact that he could never catch Werfel).

This Jewish author attributes his escape to the intercession of St. Bernadette. On his way to leaving Europe for the U.S., Werfel made a visit to the shrine of the Our Lady of Lourdes. The kindness of Catholics in France in helping him and his wife on the journey to freedom and the stories they told of how the shrine in Lourdes came to be moved him to ask St. Bernadette for help. He promised her that if he survived his journey he would honor her by ‘writing her song’ for all to hear. The rest, of course, is history.

Franz did not convert to Christianity, but his work on the novel spread the Gospel further than most of our efforts ever will. He was a Jew who prayed to a saint whose prayer was heard by God. He was even honored with a Catholic funeral.

This demonstrates that God does not act nor is required to save people according to our expectations. God will not be second guessed. How Christ saves and who gets saved as a result is not ours to say. When it is finally done, we will all marvel that our minds could have never matched the wisdom and heart of the Creator whose will is that all be saved.
 
The Pope basically just summarized the CCC, nothing new here.
This question was already asked, by me, a few months ago. Link: forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=774632 (hope it works). I didn’t reference Pope Francis specifically, but as Matt said, he’s not saying anything new. Check out the discussion over there, where I ask some pointed and specific questions about church doctrine. In reference to the poster who asked why the church today regards Jews as special when they (supposedly) ceased to be Israelites through their rejection of Jesus: I have been told, although I do not know a source for this, that historically the Church has officially considered Jews to have a special status as the nation that Jesus came from, even though they did not accept him. That is one reason why Popes historically extended protection to the Jews.
 
This question was already asked, by me, a few months ago. Link: forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=774632 (hope it works). I didn’t reference Pope Francis specifically, but as Matt said, he’s not saying anything new. Check out the discussion over there, where I ask some pointed and specific questions about church doctrine. In reference to the poster who asked why the church today regards Jews as special when they (supposedly) ceased to be Israelites through their rejection of Jesus: I have been told, although I do not know a source for this, that historically the Church has officially considered Jews to have a special status as the nation that Jesus came from, even though they did not accept him. That is one reason why Popes historically extended protection to the Jews.
The Pope is not saying anything relatively new, as can be seen by reading the Catechism produced under Pope John Paul II. But it is new information based on Vatican II and what has been learned since.

Catholics do not teach that the Jews “ceased to be Israelites through their rejection of Jesus.” Some may have had such views before Vatican II, and before Pope John Paul II made strides to begin correcting the Church’s view of the Jews, but this is not the case at present.

The problem may be that some Catholics–like anyone else–would prefer a very definitive answer. The truth of the matter is that the Church is in flux about the issue, and it may be realizing the fulfillment of a prophecy made by Jesus, namely that:

Jerusalem will be trampled underfoot by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.–Luke 21:24.

St. Paul also wrote under inspiration:

A hardening has come upon Israel in part, until the full number of the Gentiles comes in, and thus [which can also be rendered “and then”] all Israel will be saved.–Romans 11:25-26.

Both Pope John Paul II and Pope Benedict XVI have openly considered that since the time that Jerusalem has come back into the hands of the Jews (and since the traditional nations of Christendom have now become mostly secular), that we could be living at or near this prophesied era.

While nothing definitive has yet been expressly written as dogma, the Pontifical Biblical Commission recently published “The Jewish People and Their Sacred Scriptures in the Christian Bible.” In it there is a dramatic confession at its conclusion that reads:

In the past, the break between the Jewish people and the Church of Christ Jesus could sometimes, in certain times and places, give the impression of being complete. In the light of the Scriptures, this should never have occurred. For a complete break between Church and Synagogue contradicts Sacred Scripture.

Unfortunately as demonstrated here on this forum and in the general public, much of this information is rarely read in full let alone studied (which is actually required for a person to completely comprehend the issues mentioned) by the public, sadly even by Catholics. Too many Catholics are unaware that this document released by the Holy See even exists.

Therefore there is surprise and even shock when Pope Francis makes statements about the Jews. This shouldn’t happen, but we live in a world where there are great demands on our time and people seemed to be more concerned with learning how to master their smart devices than use them to master the teachings of their faith. We are all to blame for not being able to use Bibles or the Catechism the way we should.

In conclusion the Church does not teach that God has rejected his people Israel. It teaches that Catholicism has a direct connection to it, so much so that any attempt to destroy or deny this election by God is tantamount to destroying and denying the Catholic faith. Some of this will be news to people, and some will not accept it. But it is the position of the Church, and we owe it to be up to date on all matters of the Magisterium’s official position lest we fail by giving faulty testimony to the Gospel.
 
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