Pope Francis In Morocco

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Hello, there’s a thread that’s the exact lookalike of this where the issue was dealt with, er, sufficiently.
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I also can’t wait for a Pope whose incendiary comments would enrage the Muslims and put my life and the lives of other Middle Eastern Christians in danger!
 
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Wishing no ill on the holy father, I can’t wait until there’s a new pope.
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Do you seriously think a conclave consisting of cardinals most of whom were appointed by Pope Francis are going to elect a pope to your liking? I doubt it. The gung ho conservative candidates have been mostly sidelined or marginalized. It’s hard to imagine many cardinals appointed by Pope Francis to vote for someone like Cardinal Sarah. Chances are much higher that a protege of Pope Francis will be elected. Someone like Cardinal Marx.
 
The Islamic world as a whole is incredibly hostile to Christians. This visit isn’t going to help the plight of Christians either
 
Let us not forget that we cannot put the Holy Spirit in a box!
 
I assume I’d know what would help the plight of Christians, since I live here.

Seriously though, trust the Holy Spirit. It did not allow Francis to be elected Pope for no reason. You may not be feeling it in the West, but problems are slowly getting solved in the Middle East.
 
By what? Capitulating to dictatorial regimes? By all metrics we have it does not appear things are becoming better for Christians. Syrian Christians have fled in record numbers. Orthodox Christianity is facing harsher and harsher treatment in Turkey. Coptic Christians are facing tougher treatment in Egypt. Pardon for saying so, but I just don’t see it
 
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Umm. Syrians are fleeing a war, not Muslim persecution. Muslim Syrians have also fled in record numbers.

Can’t speak for Turkey, and last I heard Coptic Christians were fine under the new president.

Where I’m from there’s a lot less hostility from Druzes and Muslims, especially considering that two decades ago we had a crippling civil war. (which we played the abuser and the victim in-we massacred Muslims, and got massacred ourselves)

Peace.
 
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That is good news…
Lord hear our prayers.
Thank you for that beam of sunshine, Salibi.
 
To be fair, the article doesn’t quote the Pope as saying “don’t seek conversions.” The authors of the article take that as the meaning of “proselytism”–and to be fair to them, that is its common meaning. But the Church has been using it more narrowly in recent decades, as explained by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith:
The term proselytism originated in the context of Judaism, in which the term proselyte referred to someone who, coming from the gentiles, had passed into the Chosen People. So too, in the Christian context, the term proselytism was often used as a synonym for missionary activity. More recently, however, the term has taken on a negative connotation, to mean the promotion of a religion by using means, and for motives, contrary to the spirit of the Gospel; that is, which do not safeguard the freedom and dignity of the human person.
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http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/c...th_doc_20071203_nota-evangelizzazione_en.html

(the whole document is about how seeking converts is good)

On Pope Francis’ part, he strongly encourages missionary activity and evangelization over and over and over in his Apostolic Exhortation on evangelization:

http://w2.vatican.va/content/france...sortazione-ap_20131124_evangelii-gaudium.html

A Pope can do no other–no Pope can annul the Great Commission of Our Lord. The servant is not greater than the Master.
 
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Let’s not forget that Morocco is a country with a 99% Muslim majority and there are laws based on Islamic shariah punishing converts from Islam-and those who converted them. The Pope’s comments may have been made in light of this- he didn’t want the 1% of Morroccan Catholics to endanger themselves. Better they leave the conversion of Muslims to the Holy Spirit.
 
Your reasoning makes sense…but remember, cardinals appointed by John XXIII and Paul VI selected John Paul II. And Cardinals appointed by John Paul II and Benedict XVI selected Francis. You just never know how the Holy Spirit will move the Cardinal electors.
 
My thoughts exactly. Secular news reports were covering it like a political election. “After 30+ years of JPII and Benedict, we’re going to be stuck with very conservative Popes, maybe go back to Italians even”.

The age old axiom of the Church still holds true “After a fat Pope, a thin one.”
 
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