Pope John Paullii

[PJohnPaulii]

Hello everybody!

Hi! This is my very first post! haha, im so happy!

As you can tell from my name, i am very devoted to Pope John Paul II and i never get tired of hearing about this heroic man!

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-What are three most important characteristics and traits that Pope John Paul posses that make him an excellent modern day leader? How did these three traits affect his ability to lead the catholic church? How did his three leadership skills affect the church and world historically, economically, politically, or through foreign policy?
-Also, how did Pope John Paull II inspire new insight or new ideas about leadership and its affect on people nations, and possibly the world?

Thank you so much for posting your ideas and comments about Pope John Paul II - he is such a wonderful man, a warrior for God.

 

[dixieagle]

Hello everybody!

Hi! This is my very first post! haha, im so happy!

As you can tell from my name, i am very devoted to Pope John Paul II and i never get tired of hearing about this heroic man!

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-What are three most important characteristics and traits that Pope John Paul posses that make him an excellent modern day leader? How did these three traits affect his ability to lead the catholic church? How did his three leadership skills affect the church and world historically, economically, politically, or through foreign policy?
-Also, how did Pope John Paull II inspire new insight or new ideas about leadership and its affect on people nations, and possibly the world?

Thank you so much for posting your ideas and comments about Pope John Paul II - he is such a wonderful man, a warrior for God.

Hmmm…sounds as if someone has a paper to write on JPII!!!

 

[pnewton]

I am curious if you consider yourself a traditional catholic, and if not, why you posted here. Perhaps the thread could be moved if needed.

 

[PJohnPaulii]

I am curious if you consider yourself a traditional catholic, and if not, why you posted here. Perhaps the thread could be moved if needed.

Im sorry, im new here so i dont know where to post my thread sorry

Will somebody please answer me! I am so desperate to know three characteristics! please help me! i need your help!

 

[pnewton]

Im sorry, im new here so i dont know where to post my thread sorry

Will somebody please answer me! I am so desperate to know three characteristics! please help me! i need your help!

His intellegence, his ability to relate to a diverse group and his humility.

 

[Adam41]

-What are three most important characteristics and traits that Pope John Paul posses that make him an excellent modern day leader?

Servant of God John Paul II was/is an excellent leader… and would have been in any age.

He was a man "who lived an intense life of prayer, a tireless Pastor of the universal Church and courageous Witness of the Gospel of Christ, entrusting himself completely to God’s will and to the Virgin; Mary, confirmed in his vast and rich Magisterium the centrality of the Mystery of the Eucharist in the life of the Church. He indicated to every baptized person each one’s primary commitment to holiness, defined as the “high standard of ordinary Christian living” (cf. The Edict)

Sorry I can’t answer your questions directly… they were a bit broad in scope.

John Paul pray for us,
Scott

 

[Pope_Noah_I]

Actually, some of us here believe that John Paul II wasn’t a very good Pope…

 

[Dempsey1919]

Actually, some of us here believe that John Paul II wasn’t a very good Pope…

There seems to be a lot of people on this forum who dislike John Paul II.

While I agree that he wasn’t a great Pope, I do believe that he was a good Pope. The only thing that bothers me is his stance on ecumenism. I also think that he made too many Saints during his pontificate - some of whom are highly questionable, for example, Mother Theresa.

 

[pnewton]

There seems to be a lot of people on this forum who dislike John Paul II.
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Which is why I questioned this being asked on a traditional forum. Go to the other ones and you’ll get more response. Put me down for believing him to be a great pope.

 

[havemercy]

John Paul II was a great man full of love, wisdom and humility. He loved children with a tender affection and was a champion of human dignity.

His pontificate however, wasn’t at all perfect. Sometimes being too nice isn’t a good thing. Not being able to say “no” is a fault John Paul II and I have in common.

 

[Volodymyr_988]

It’s real easy for the armchair quarterbacks out there to put down other people in the public eye. But Catholics bashing the Pope should have better things to do, like feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, visiting those in prison… you know the actual stuff you’ll be judged on. You’ll be judged also for writing ill of anyone (remember, every idle word.)

Kicking a dead man is easy to do.

 

[SemperFidelis]

It’s real easy for the armchair quarterbacks out there to put down other people in the public eye. But Catholics bashing the Pope should have better things to do, like feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, visiting those in prison… you know the actual stuff you’ll be judged on. You’ll be judged also for writing ill of anyone (remember, every idle word.)

Kicking a dead man is easy to do.

Well the OP did ask for people’s opinions of Pope John Paul II, and people on here gave them. You can’t really berate them, because you don’t like the opinions given.

 

[scylla]

Pope John Paul was a great man, he was one of the triggers to help me take my faith more seriously.

He epitomized how a man should embrace other people with charity.

As a Pope I am not so sure about his management skills or disciplinary skills, but I am sure he was up against a whole lot of dissent and pressure. He was under extreme pressure to change the Church and allow many things just to maintain unity. All in all it seems the Church became more unified under him which allows Pope Benedict to correct abuses and steer the Church better.

He did represent the Church with open arms to everyone, unfortunately it seems that many within the Church didn’t want to listen to him.

Are you writing a report?

God Bless
Scylla

 

[water]

One of the most important characters of Pope John Paull II is his devotion to our Blessed Virgin Mary.

 

[Mickey_Jackson]

He did represent the Church with open arms to everyone, unfortunately it seems that many within the Church didn’t want to listen to him.

I think you hit the nail right on the head. Anyone, be they a liberal of a radical Traditionalist, who reads the documents of Vatican II, and the encyclicals of the post-conciliar Popes (most especially Mysterium Fidei and Ecclesia de Eucharistia), will realize that the Council was NOT a break with Tradition. The Popes have consistently tried to show this to the Church, but are simply ignored by people who want things their own way.

The reason for the liturgical and doctrinal abuses that we have seen in recent decades is not that we had bad Popes; we had very good Popes whose words were distorted by those who hate the Church.

“Pray for the canonization of Pius XII, John XXIII, and John Paul I”

 

[Chatter163]

“Pray for the canonization of Pius XII, John XXIII, and John Paul I”

Just curious–why John Paul I? He reigned for only a month, so most Catholics outside of Venice, where he had previously been Patriarch, know little about him.

 

[palmas85]

John Paul II was in my opinion a fair Pope. He was athletic, good looking in a Kennedyesque type of way and had a dominating charismatic personality. He did some things that were very good, He gave us the Indult, he helped to restore a sense of devotion to the Blessed Mother that had been under steady attack by progressives since the days of the Council. He relentlesssly fought communism and he stood his ground against those in the the Church , Jesuits primarily, but others as well who supported Liberation Theology and related concepts. Remember his visit to Nicaragua? He showed uncommon courage and actually behaved in a manner that had many of us believing that he would always stand firm in defense of the the faith.

And in some areas he did. He stood against abortion, contraception, same sex marriage and female ordinations . Liberals who had loved him early in his Pontificate soon started to hate him. So in some areas he was a conservatives dream. He didn’t have a mistress in the Vatican, no illegitimate kids running around, wasn’t personally involved in any pedophilia coverups and didn’t appear to have any firm personal knowledge of the Vatican bank scandals

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He also did some things which at a minimum were certainly ill advised if nothing else. His overall insistance that all religions can and do have merit for one. His fawning, for lack of a better word over Muslims and Jews and his apparent desire to try in some fashion to group all the worlds religions under one banner was tragic and misguided. Lets understand, Muslims and Jews did not respect him for his attempts at finding common ground, they saw them exactly for what they were, pathetic attempts to gain favor. Thats all. Regardless of what his supporters will say, his kissing of the Quoran displayed to the Muslims that he did not even believe Catholic theology. Why honor a book that explicitly denies Christian theology as being holy? Especially if you are the head of that religion? It would be laughable if not so terribly tragic. The concept of three valid Abraic based religions didn’t make a lot of sense when he espoused it and makes even less sense now, Particularly if you accept that the Catholic Church is the true Church.

But perhaps his biggest failing a willingness to accept almost anything into the Church as long as its followers called it Catholic. Neocats, Life Teen and Charismatics come to mind. His support of the Taize community also speaks volumes.

So, his overall record is spotty at best. The best Pope ever, nah, not a chance. The worst? Not even close. Put him somewhere in the middle. And lets describe him the way he really was,

A humble, pious and holy man, who did some good, but who made some truly tragic errors in judgement. And the truth be known, a man in his position can ill afford errors in judgement.