Pope orders new rules on relations between bishops, religious orders

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I found this blog post by an Easter Catholic priest to be rather on the mark.
Recently, Pope Francis, a religious priest, decided to reform the system of papal honors sometimes conferred on secular priests to recognize outstanding service. For all intensive purposes, the reform consisted of eliminating them, not entirely, but just about. He did so, so he said, to strike a blow at what he has often called “careerism” in clerical circles; but, just like the “unrestrained capitalism” he condemned in his recent Apostolic Exhortation, he was unable to say exactly where he sees this taking place. To be perfectly blunt, I can’t find this elusive careerism of which he speaks. Every priest in my eparchy is poor because our parishes are poor. Every priest in my eparchy will probably have to work until he drops dead because none of us could possibly save enough to retire. We live from paycheck to paycheck, when our parishes are able to pay us. And the first words the new Pope has to say to us as secular priests is, “I’m tired of you guys obsessing over your careers.” What career?
     Not long ago, the Holy Father signaled his intention to rewrite the rules which, for many years, have governed the relationship between local bishops and religious communities. Most likely, as a religious priest in Argentina, he butted heads with some bishop or other who took his role as shepherd seriously and tried to reign in what some Jesuit was doing in his diocese. The Pope says we must learn to respect the unique “charisms” of the various religious orders. The only charism I can see is that the religious priest does whatever he wants, answers to no one and wants for nothing, while the secular priest carries the load of baptizing the babies, performing the weddings, anointing the sick and dying, burying the dead, paying the bills, repairing the boiler, and preaching the Gospel day in and day out to the souls entrusted to his care, all the while living hand-to-mouth on those occasions when his parish can pay his salary. It’s an awful shame I wasn’t good enough to be a religious priest.
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Yours in Jesus and Mary,
OS.
 
I found this blog post by an Easter Catholic priest to be rather on the mark.

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     Not long ago, the Holy Father signaled his intention to rewrite the rules which, for many years, have governed the relationship between local bishops and religious communities. Most likely, as a religious priest in Argentina, he butted heads with some bishop or other who took his role as shepherd seriously and tried to reign in what some Jesuit was doing in his diocese.

The only charism I can see is that the religious priest does whatever he wants, answers to no one and wants for nothing, while the secular priest carries the load
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I find it sad that any priest, however overworked and disillusioned he might be feeling on any given day, should see fit to disparage the Holy Father’s motives in this way, and to characterise the rigours of consecrated life and the challenge of living priesthood within that state in this uncharitable fashion. For a cleric to display this much hurt and anger for the whole world to read is unwise and could give rise to scandal.

I find it equally sad that you think this is ‘rather on the mark’.

What experience do you have of the world’s 150,000 religious priests (give or take a few thousand) that would lead you to think that this kind of slander is accurate or appropriate?

In Christ,
Withburga
 
I was reading something recently on religious and I had to chuckle. Actually, it was written by a secular priest. I could see what the Holy Father means when he said that often bishops don’t understand the religious life. That’s because more often than not, bishops are secular priests.

I’ll offer a simple example. When secular priests and some lay people speak about religious, they think of priests or priests and sisters. Usually it’s priests.

Those who know something about religious life know that priests make up one third of all religious. Two thirds of religious are religious brothers, lay brothers, choir monks, cloistered nuns, active sisters and consecrated virgins.

If a person is thinking religious and equating religious with the regular priest or the sister who teaches, he or she is reducing religious by more than half. He is also missing the charism of the religious life, especially the individual religious communities. People do not enter religious life to be priests. One can be a priest and not be a religious.

The question to which most secular priests and lay people don’t know the answer is why a man or a woman enters religious life?

If one does not know the answer to that question, then one is going to fill in the blanks with one’s own assumptions. In my experience as a religious, I have found that 9/10 people (clergy and lay) get the answer wrong.

They don’t understand why a man would want to be a Jesuit, Redemptorist, Franciscan or Holy Cross.

I think people come closer to the mark when speaking about women religious, because the priesthood is not an option for women. Even then, people often don’t quite hit it on the bulls eye. You can see this when you hear people speak about the humility, obedience and submission that they expect of women religious. These expectations are nowhere near what the founders have written into the constitutions.

Take obedience, for example. The vow of obedience binds the sister to her superior, not to the bishop. The founder never bound her to a bishop. Lay people and secular priests in a diocese are bound to a bishop, not the sisters. The sisters are bound to observe diocesan policies when working in diocesan ministries. As we know, the bishop approves these policies or his delegates do. That’s a different kind of obedience from that which is due to the superior.

When the superior says “Jump” the religious only has two questions.
  1. “Is jumping a sin?”
  2. “If not a sin, how high should I jump?”
Beyond that, the religious may only raise those questions that the superior and the particular law of the institute allow.

Such is not the policy when dealing with a bishop. The policy with a bishop is one of respect and reverence in all matters that are proper to the bishop. Is it proper to the office of the bishop to command a religious under obedience? No. The law prohibits this. It creates a conflict between equal authorities, the bishop and the superior.

Little things like this are not always understood by those in the secular world. At times, either the secular authority oversteps or shies away, because it’s unsure where the boundaries are. It’s important not to overstep and not to shy away from the boundaries either.

To understand these boundaries, one must understand one’s subject. This begins by laying aside the notion that religious are priests and school sisters. This is a very small segment of the religious population.
 
Good point. It would seem that explains a lot about the LCWR affair. The secular bishops, after all, have no direct authority over them as superiors of women religious. So the calls I keep hearing for the bishops to “do something” about the sisters often completely miss the point. But people are not used to the concept of superiors having their own authority. Laypeople are used to the bishops having the authority to compel obedience, and they unconsciously transfer that concept to the relationship between bishops and religious.
 
I think this is the most misunderstood part of religious life-the role/position of the superior.
In monastic communities it is a more apparent. The abbot wears a miter and looks “bishopy”. The same doesn’t occur in the mendicant orders (right?).
 
Good point. It would seem that explains a lot about the LCWR affair. The secular bishops, after all, have no direct authority over them as superiors of women religious. So the calls I keep hearing for the bishops to “do something” about the sisters often completely miss the point. But people are not used to the concept of superiors having their own authority. Laypeople are used to the bishops having the authority to compel obedience, and they unconsciously transfer that concept to the relationship between bishops and religious.
There are two kinds of religious communities, diocesan and pontifical. A diocesan community is erected by the local bishop. He is the highest ranking authority, within the law.

A pontifical community bypasses the bishop and answers only to the pope. The bishop’s relationship with such a community is fraternal and apostolic, not authoritative. Once he gives a community permission to enter his diocese, the rest is out of his hands. He has no authority over the community, only over the organizations, institutions, schools, or parishes that they run for him. If they run their own, those are not under his jurisdiction either.

Let’s say that a pontifical community of sisters has its own girls high school. Tomorrow the superior decides that she is going to close the school at the end of the semester. She has to inform the bishop of her decision. The bishop does not have to approve it. She is not asking his permission. She is informing him.

Most religious communities are pontifical. The Council of Trent wanted to place religious under the jurisdiction of the pope for a number of very good reasons. The Council of Trent ruled that the individual religious has the Right of Exemption, if he or she belongs to a pontifical community. He or she is exempt from the governance of the bishops. I don’t know how many women religious there are associated with the LCWR who have the Right of Exemption, but I’m sure it’s in the thousands.

Situations that may arise between bishops and religious must be settled by the Holy See. The Holy See can establish committees or assign individuals to deal with the situation. The pope does not need to come to town. The person or persons whom the pope designates must be obeyed as if they were the pope himself.

I’ve been accused of “popolatry” and of putting too much emphasis on the pope and what have you. The truth is that those who are making such statements do not understand the relationship between religious and the pope.

There are parts to that relationship.

a. The pope is both the highest ranking superior and the protector of the individual religious.

b. The individual religious is submissive to the pope and has a moral obligation to protect the pope’s interests before the laity.

Trent set up this two way relationship. It’s a dyad. After the bishops, popes count on religious to protect the interests of the Church, spiritual and temporal. There was a time when popes also counted on the laity, because there monarchs were Catholic and they enforced laws protecting the Church. Catholic monarchies no longer exist. Democracy limits what the government can protect and enforce. So you fall back on the bishops and religious.

For all of this to happen in a well coordinated manner, everyone has to be on the same page.

One thing that many lay people don’t know is that many religious don’t understand bishops either. Unlike diocesan priests and laymen, we don’t have much to do with the local bishop. Our encounters are usually of a social nature. I guess those religious who are pastors would probably get a lot of emails and memos from the chancery, but not the rest of the religious. Those memos deal with parish issues.

Sometimes, you’ll have an individual religious who holds a diocesan post and he or she will also have a lot of contact with the chancery. But that’s not common.

The education is needed both ways. The bishops need to understand the charism of the religious and let them be. The religious need to separate the bishop’s role as teacher from his role as superior. He is not our superior, but he remains the highest ranking teacher in a diocese. If you live in his diocese, you need to pay attention, because he speaks with authority given to him by the Church. He is not to be ignored, unless you want to ignore the Church. Saints preserve us. :signofcross:
I think this is the most misunderstood part of religious life-the role/position of the superior.
In monastic communities it is a more apparent. The abbot wears a miter and looks “bishopy”. The same doesn’t occur in the mendicant orders (right?).
That’s because once upon a time, abbots were in charge of entire territories, not just the abbey. They assigned the secular priests, granted faculties, suspended, and supervised all financial matters. Even the abbess often carried a crosier and wore a pectoral cross. Some still do so. This was only true in the Benedictine tradition.

This is rather interesting. The most famous abbot in the west is St. Benedict. He was a brother, not a priest. He was a very powerful brother. He was so powerful that the monks tried to murder him on several occasions. He slept with his dagger under his pillow. Poor guy. :sad_yes:
 
That’s because once upon a time, abbots were in charge of entire territories, not just the abbey. They assigned the secular priests, granted faculties, suspended, and supervised all financial matters. Even the abbess often carried a crosier and wore a pectoral cross. Some still do so. This was only true in the Benedictine tradition.

This is rather interesting. The most famous abbot in the west is St. Benedict. He was a brother, not a priest. He was a very powerful brother. He was so powerful that the monks tried to murder him on several occasions. He slept with his dagger under his pillow. Poor guy. :sad_yes:
Interesting. 🙂

A small correction: Benedict faced attempted murder only once (his wine was poisoned–how horrible is that?-an Italian’s wine was poisoned…there should be some limits, sheesh :D)–the goblet broke after he blessed it (ie, said “Grace”). Benedict promptly left the monastery, and began Benedictine monasteries (ie, under the Rule) after that. None of the new Benedictines ever tried to kill him. History (well St Gregory the Great) does not record the fate of the murderous monks.
 
Interesting. 🙂

A small correction: Benedict faced attempted murder only once (his wine was poisoned–how horrible is that?-an Italian’s wine was poisoned…there should be some limits, sheesh :D)–the goblet broke after he blessed it (ie, said “Grace”). Benedict promptly left the monastery, and began Benedictine monasteries (ie, under the Rule) after that. None of the new Benedictines ever tried to kill him. History (well St Gregory the Great) does not record the fate of the murderous monks.
Bummer, you spoiled the end of the story. 😃

I think I like it better the way that the monks of St Anselm tell it. 😛

Now I may as well not finish reading the novel. :rotfl:
 
Reminds me of the mystery novel I’m reading right now, The Beautiful Mystery.

It’s about the murder of a prior of a Gilbertine monastery in a remote area in Quebec. It takes place in present day, but to my knowledge there are no more Gilbertines. So the author’s taking a bit of artistic license, but hey… it’s a good read so far! 🙂

Another question that popped up was that this monastery has an abbot, who is distinct from the prior, who is the superior. The prior is portrayed as the No 2. This doesn’t seem to make sense given what I know about these titles, so I wonder if it’s another bit of artistic license.
 
Reminds me of the mystery novel I’m reading right now, The Beautiful Mystery.

It’s about the murder of a prior of a Gilbertine monastery in a remote area in Quebec. It takes place in present day, but to my knowledge there are no more Gilbertines. So the author’s taking a bit of artistic license, but hey… it’s a good read so far! 🙂

Another question that popped up was that this monastery has an abbot, who is distinct from the prior, who is the superior. The prior is portrayed as the No 2. This doesn’t seem to make sense given what I know about these titles, so I wonder if it’s another bit of artistic license.
Nope. The prior is the #2 at a monastery (to the #1 who is the abbot). Oddly, there are monasteries where the prior is the #1 (with no abbot). I used to think that situation occurred at very small monasteries, but I know of several monasteries that are quite “large” (even larger than St Bendict’s “time to start a new monastery” limit of 12) that are still governed by a prior.

Anyone know why? It can’t be age–at least one of these monasteries was created in the early 1960’s. :confused:
 
Nope. The prior is the #2 at a monastery (to the #1 who is the abbot). Oddly, there are monasteries where the prior is the #1 (with no abbot). I used to think that situation occurred at very small monasteries, but I know of several monasteries that are quite “large” (even larger than St Bendict’s “time to start a new monastery” limit of 12) that are still governed by a prior.

Anyone know why? It can’t be age–at least one of these monasteries was created in the early 1960’s. :confused:
Well I sure don’t. I got the more basic question wrong. 😊

I guess you learn something new every day!
 
Nope. The prior is the #2 at a monastery (to the #1 who is the abbot). Oddly, there are monasteries where the prior is the #1 (with no abbot). I used to think that situation occurred at very small monasteries, but I know of several monasteries that are quite “large” (even larger than St Bendict’s “time to start a new monastery” limit of 12) that are still governed by a prior.

Anyone know why? It can’t be age–at least one of these monasteries was created in the early 1960’s. :confused:
The prior is the no. 2 in an abbey following the Rule of St. Benedict. When an abbey founds a new monastery, it is usually founded as a priory, and the prior is the superior of the priory but is still obedient to the abbot of the mother abbey, who normally is also responsible for the foundation; obviously though he can’t always be on-site (sometimes the foundation is in another country!) so a local superior is needed and that is the prior. Usually, once the priory has grown to a sufficient size so as to be self-sufficient and has proved to be a stable foundation, it will be raised to the status of abbey, and an abbot will be elected.

Some orders like the Carthusians do not have abbots, the superior is always a prior.
 
The prior is the no. 2 in an abbey following the Rule of St. Benedict. When an abbey founds a new monastery, it is usually founded as a priory, and the prior is the superior of the priory but is still obedient to the abbot of the mother abbey, who normally is also responsible for the foundation; obviously though he can’t always be on-site (sometimes the foundation is in another country!) so a local superior is needed and that is the prior. Usually, once the priory has grown to a sufficient size so as to be self-sufficient and has proved to be a stable foundation, it will be raised to the status of abbey, and an abbot will be elected.

Some orders like the Carthusians do not have abbots, the superior is always a prior.
Oh hey, you’re a Benedictine from Quebec! Have you read that novel I mentioned I’m reading, The Beautiful Mystery? I’d be curious how realistic a depiction you might find it.
 
The prior is the no. 2 in an abbey following the Rule of St. Benedict. When an abbey founds a new monastery, it is usually founded as a priory, and the prior is the superior of the priory but is still obedient to the abbot of the mother abbey, who normally is also responsible for the foundation; obviously though he can’t always be on-site (sometimes the foundation is in another country!) so a local superior is needed and that is the prior. Usually, once the priory has grown to a sufficient size so as to be self-sufficient and has proved to be a stable foundation, it will be raised to the status of abbey, and an abbot will be elected.

Some orders like the Carthusians do not have abbots, the superior is always a prior.
Exactly.

That’s why Dominicans and Carmelites have priors, but not abbots. They are not attached to an abbey. They are attached to a province. Each house is a priory.

Whereas Franciscans have no priors, because Francis banned them. We don’t live in monasteries, abbeys or priories. Though people often refer to our houses as monasteries. That is incorrect. Our houses do not have an enclosure nor is our way of life monastic, not even closely similar. We don’t even have a choir in our houses. Our houses are “governed” by guardians.

The “governed” is in quotes, because the brothers tell the guardian what his rights are and are not. He is bound to obey the brothers. Everything is decided in a chapter. Then the guardian executes it and sees to it that the voice of the chapter is obeyed.
 
Oh hey, you’re a Benedictine from Quebec! Have you read that novel I mentioned I’m reading, The Beautiful Mystery? I’d be curious how realistic a depiction you might find it.
I’ve met the author. I don’t want to derail the thread, will send you a PM.
 
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