Pope says 'throwaway culture' harms environment and life [CNAU]

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Love this pope. A person after my own heart. As were JPII & BXVI.
 
This is really true. This is why many years back, perhaps around 1996 or so, I switched from using cans of Barbasol Beard Buster to using shaving soap in a cup.

How many empty aerosol cans did I block-pollute?
 
Have a look at the size of the dumpster behind any fast food restaurant some time.

Yikes. That stuff will sit in a landfill for a 100 years before dissolving into goo. Good use of land, eh? Great stewards we are.
 
Have a look at the size of the dumpster behind any fast food restaurant some time.

Yikes. That stuff will sit in a landfill for a 100 years before dissolving into goo. Good use of land, eh? Great stewards we are.
There was a really great (short-lived) program called Model Communities during the very short-lived 3rd wave of environmentalism in the early 90s. It was started by people up north in Kane County where they had our landfills. There idea was to reuse and recycle things a lot more, instead of expanding the landfills near their property. There were lots of good start-up projects and ideas. One person who joined had a Long John Silvers franchize and he was into converting their oil and waste food into pig food (I think), and there was even some talk of biofuel.

It was a great time when people seemed genuinely interested in the environment and doing their part. Even people who weren’t really into environmentalism much claimed to be environmentalists. Then somehow by the mid-90s dirty ugly politics got in (was put in by the powers-that-be methinks) and culturally constructed environmentalism as a great evil or something, and no one wanted to get anywhere near being branded as an environmentalist, greenie, or tree-hugger. 😦

My husband, totally out-of-the-loop on all these issues, one time heard some apologetic slur re “tree-huggers” in some TV commercial around 2005, and he turned to me and innocently asked, “What’s wrong with trees?”
 
It wasn’t just politics. There was a genuine change in the philosophy and worldview behind many in the “environmentalist” movement that started in the 60’s and reached a head in the 90’s. I call it the change from the “conservation movement” to the “environmental movement.” Activists like to imagine that the general public got cold to them because of republicans, Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity. This is facile.

The real reason the movement lost steam is that the movement abandoned the traditional western philosophy of human exceptionalism and began to see humanity as a non-native invasive species that inherently damages ecosystems. The philosophy became vaguely pantheistic in a manner that considered “nature” a transcendent value and modifications to “nature” as the new sins in the new religion. The obvious problem with this notion is that nature has never been “stable” and without changes and influences by humans and every other species. It has always been in flux, but this notion is heresy to the new pantheists, so they ignore it. An excellent introduction to this change in philosophy is “In a Dark Wood” by Alston Chase, an author and environmental activist who lived through the change and had the background in philosophy to recognize what had happened. The front story of the book is about the “spotted owl” controversy, but the backstory is the change in the philosophy of the movement.

I think we could see a big recovery of conservation committment and awareness if the movement abandoned it’s tendencies towards pantheism and totalitarianism.

On subject, Madison WI used to have a nice solution to excess paper and light plastic trash. They sorted out this light stuff in the waste stream with air blowers, shredded it and compressed it into pellets that they then mixed into the coal feed that powered the local electrical plant. Go figure, harnessing coal power into reductions in landfill fill rates and recovery of the energy content in waste materials. Was no dirtier than coal burning either (not that that’s saying much). This made for some fun irony in local “green” activism. This was around the time people were pressuring McDonalds to quite using styrofoam BigMac containers in favor of paper wrappers. Ironically, foam at the time was already CFC-free and was made from petroleum refining byproducts that often were otherwise wasted via flare burn. So in Madison, there was ZERO environmental benefit to changing from foam to wax paper. But that’s what the activists focused on. Go figure.

Rambling aside, don’t assume that disinterest is entirely other people’s fault. Make sure that when you discuss ‘green’ issues, you do so from a perspective compatible with man as created in God’s image and likeness, not as the despoiler of Earth. Exaggerate even, so people don’t assume you’re one of those types.

P.S. I can see the methane flare from one of those old Kane County landfills (closed now) from the windows of my house. Not the noblest of eternal flames, but perhaps an apt commentary on our disposable society.
 
It wasn’t just politics. There was a genuine change in the philosophy and worldview behind many in the “environmentalist” movement that started in the 60’s and reached a head in the 90’s. I call it the change from the “conservation movement” to the “environmental movement.” Activists like to imagine that the general public got cold to them because of republicans, Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity. This is facile.

The real reason the movement lost steam is that the movement abandoned the traditional western philosophy of human exceptionalism and began to see humanity as a non-native invasive species that inherently damages ecosystems. The philosophy became vaguely pantheistic in a manner that considered “nature” a transcendent value and modifications to “nature” as the new sins in the new religion. The obvious problem with this notion is that nature has never been “stable” and without changes and influences by humans and every other species. It has always been in flux, but this notion is heresy to the new pantheists, so they ignore it. An excellent introduction to this change in philosophy is “In a Dark Wood” by Alston Chase, an author and environmental activist who lived through the change and had the background in philosophy to recognize what had happened. The front story of the book is about the “spotted owl” controversy, but the backstory is the change in the philosophy of the movement.

I think we could see a big recovery of conservation committment and awareness if the movement abandoned it’s tendencies towards pantheism and totalitarianism…
I have never met any environmentalist who is in any way remotely into pantheism or totalitarianism. I do, however, know some people who think people are a bunch of jerks, but they are not environmentalists 🙂

I’m thinking this is more a matter of some off-the-mainstream elitist environmentalists, perhaps coming from some other philosophical traditions, glomming onto environmentalism and creating whacko philosophies re it. Maybe writing some books or articles (which I really don’t have time to look into), but one wonders if they recycle and do the actual work of environmentalism.

Maybe I’ve lived a sheltered life, but the grassroots environmentalists I know are mainly moms concerned about their kids’ future. And the environmental groups and clubs I mainly have been involved in are either at my local parish or on the campuses where I have taught, or the food co-op I belonged to. I don’t know why it’s mainly women, not men, but I’m thinking it’s bec women are concerned long term about their children or long marriage prospect while at least some men seem more focused on Sat nite date (if young) or next quarter’s earnings (if old).

Maybe it just seems there are lots of pantheists and totalitarians, bec regular people are not doing their part. If they were, then they would vastly outnumber the whackos.

I teach Environmental Crime & Justice, and also Environmental Anthropology. When going thru the history of the environmental movements in the U.S., we talk about the preservationist and conservationist movements of the 19th and early 20th c. – which was mainly in response to dwindling wilderness and resources. Our forefathers (like Teddy Roosevelt) were thinking about us when they got into these movements; I just wish we’d be thinking about our progeny a bit more.

The 2nd wave in the late 60s and 70s was mainly in response to tremendous pollution and big problems – Love Canal, can’t breathe the air in LA, river in Times Beach catching fire, Lake Erie dead, etc. We needed laws and regs to clean this up and prevent it from happening. Nixon was great for establishing the EPA by executive order.

The 3rd wave in the late 80s & early 90s was mainly in response to large global issues, like stratospheric ozone depletion and global warming, as well as other more international issues; our air and water were doing much better from the earlier efforts, tho there were still issues. Environmental justice came up on the scene when minority communities were getting toxic dumped on or getting sick from earlier toxic activities. We have some factories in the town near us that produced Agent Orange, smack dab in low income hispanic neighborhoods. People are still getting sick and dying and having miscarriages and children born with terrible birth defects from that. I’m personally involved in helping to document these environmental justice issues in the Rio Grande Valley.

So when people speak of the environmental movement, it is really very complex and broad. People can pick and choose which strand they want to get involved in, and most sincere and decent people, I think, would not be opposed to mainstream things like reducing waste.

That is Pope Francis’s genius. He has picked an approach that really sails.

However, we should never underestimate the power and intent of multinational corps to try and derail environmentalism. After they were broad-sided by Rachel Carsons in the late 60s, they’ve become quite expert in derailing it in very sneaky ways.
 
I certainly agree that the local grass roots level are regular folk like you and I. But the locals aren’t usually the leadership that set big picture agendas. That level is where the subtle pantheism sets in. The author I mentioned devoted a significant portion of his life to the movement. He hardly needs to be dismissed because you suspect he doesn’t separate his plastics… (not sure where such suspicion even comes from!)

My example was classic. The nationwide movement was focused on styrofoam = evil. No matter that the CFC issue had already been resolved and that LOCALLY it was a total waste of resources to pressure McDonalds to change when that effort could have been put into something that would have had an actual effect when it succeeded. As it stood, they spent 3 years and succeeded in making McDonalds use papre wrappers. And for those of us in Madison, the environmental benefit was zilch. That makes me crazy.

Sincere locals are great. I just prefer locals who think things through rather than jumping on bandwagons created by national movement leadership of questionable motive and goals.

Plastic film shopping bag campaigns are my current pet peeve. The total mass and volume of such bags I will generate in my life is probably a few pounds. (As long as they are wadded up securely so they don’t end up in the wind at the landfill, theyg et buried and never eaten by sea life. Meanwhile the average guy probably generates a few HUNDRED pounds of disposable coffee and soda cups in his life. We’d be much better off to kick a campaign of asking fast food joints to allow you to use your own resuable cup in the soda fountains and coffee fillups. We had a campaign like that in Madison and it was a big success while I was there. I hear it has since died out, yet the shopping bag focus lives on. We’re not focusing our efforts intelligently. We’re using up our limited energies on things that make little difference and ignoring big deal issues because we like them and we feel good that we’ve done enough.
 
I certainly agree that the local grass roots level are regular folk like you and I. But the locals aren’t usually the leadership that set big picture agendas. That level is where the subtle pantheism sets in. The author I mentioned devoted a significant portion of his life to the movement. He hardly needs to be dismissed because you suspect he doesn’t separate his plastics… (not sure where such suspicion even comes from!)

My example was classic. The nationwide movement was focused on styrofoam = evil. No matter that the CFC issue had already been resolved and that LOCALLY it was a total waste of resources to pressure McDonalds to change when that effort could have been put into something that would have had an actual effect when it succeeded. As it stood, they spent 3 years and succeeded in making McDonalds use papre wrappers. And for those of us in Madison, the environmental benefit was zilch. That makes me crazy.

Sincere locals are great. I just prefer locals who think things through rather than jumping on bandwagons created by national movement leadership of questionable motive and goals.

Plastic film shopping bag campaigns are my current pet peeve. The total mass and volume of such bags I will generate in my life is probably a few pounds. (As long as they are wadded up securely so they don’t end up in the wind at the landfill, theyg et buried and never eaten by sea life. Meanwhile the average guy probably generates a few HUNDRED pounds of disposable coffee and soda cups in his life. We’d be much better off to kick a campaign of asking fast food joints to allow you to use your own resuable cup in the soda fountains and coffee fillups. We had a campaign like that in Madison and it was a big success while I was there. I hear it has since died out, yet the shopping bag focus lives on. We’re not focusing our efforts intelligently. We’re using up our limited energies on things that make little difference and ignoring big deal issues because we like them and we feel good that we’ve done enough.
I just cannot blame people for unwittingly doing something counterproductive to their intentions. I doubt anyone was trying to harm the earth. Things are a big mess, and we don’t all have the complete information, and in some cases there may be an overload of opinions and contradictory studies. We just have to do the best we can.

I remember one parishioner in our church environmental committee back around 1990 was saying how she is using a furnace to burn wood (a renewable resource), rather than getting outside energy for heating. Another member who knew a lot more told her that was making things worse, causing more local pollution (and Aurora was polluted enough…my husband is now doing a lot better in the RGV of Texas re his asthma).

We sort of learn as we go, and all suggestions are on the table.

The plastic bag issue was a real problem in Brownsville, TX, bec they were getting into the Gulf of Mexico harming sea turtles, etc. From what I heard many residents (who are very very poor) were upset with the 5 or 10 cents charge for the bags, so I don’t know if the ordinance stands today.

In India 40 years ago, “fast foods” and other products were wrapped in large leaves (banana and some other large leaves) and used newspaper over that (which were already printed on recycled & recycled paper), and clothing/fabric and other shops would give cotton bags, which could then be used to buy veggies (where vendors on the streets do give bags), or they could be torn up and used a cleaning rags (no one had paper towels here). No toilet paper either – they use water. Cloth diapers without plastic covers and plenty of baby leaks all over…

Now it is totally changed and they are living in a sea of plastics and trash all over the place.
 
I certainly agree that the local grass roots level are regular folk like you and I. But the locals aren’t usually the leadership that set big picture agendas. That level is where the subtle pantheism sets in. The author I mentioned devoted a significant portion of his life to the movement. He hardly needs to be dismissed because you suspect he doesn’t separate his plastics… (not sure where such suspicion even comes from!)
I actually didn’t know anything about that author. Now I’ll have to get his book, since I do teach and write on the topic. I suspect I will agree with most of what he says (based on a quick google search), tho would take issue with his ideas being used by anti-environmentalists to go ahead with trashing the earth and the people thereupon (if his ideas are being used that way). One can find lots of criticism of any movement or project – which is all good in order to make improvements – but these should not be used to bash well-intended projects to help people and God’s creation. That is my main concern.

There are, as mentioned, many strands to environmentalism (and, yes, some fringe ideas tend to seep into the mainstream movement). I’ve sort of become an “environmental apologist” and feel the need for an “anti-environmental defamation league.” Tho I know your posts are very moderate and do not attack environmentalism overall, just these aspects that go against our Christian faith, etc. We should not throw the baby of pro-life environmentalism out with the bathwater of weirdo ideas.

Also, being a polytheist and pantheist (e.g., actually thinking of the Ganges River as a goddess) – as Hindus do in India – however, does not help the environment much and may even abet in harming it. I have a reading in my Env Anthro class about the belief that Mother Ganges is a powerful goddess and can take any amount of pollution and industrial pollution without harm – so the river is highly toxic and polluted, and still the people insist on bathing in it for its spiritual benefits. Go figure.

One of the bugaboos of Chase, seems to be historian Lynn White’s 1967 article about how Christianity and Western civ are the causes of the current environmental destruction (save for St. Francis, who should be made the patron saint of the environment).

I also have serious problems with White’s article, which I read in the early 70s, partly bec I’m not a “cultural determinist,” but consider the psychological and social (incl relations of family, friends, political, economic) to also impact the human condition (as well as biological and environmental factors); also Christianity is not the only cultural factor impacting us (if it were we’d all be saints like St. Francis :)). Here is what I recently wrote about this in a paper under review re climate change skepticism:

White (1967) has suggested that Christianity is at the root of the modern environmental crisis with God’s command to take dominion over the earth, along with the rise of science and modern technology, also from Christian roots. White’s position could be critiqued as cultural determinism. Furthermore, other cultural roots…could also be contributing to destruction of the environment, such as modern Western beliefs, values, and world view, some of these going against Christianity, largely formed by Enlightenment philosophies. America, born during the 18th century Enlightenment, incorporates these in its founding documents and is perhaps most greatly impacted by them. While they may also have roots in Christianity qua Western culture, they arose partly out of opposition to government and Church oppression in a period of increasing sociopolitical complexity and authoritarianism. The Enlightenment concept of person – foundational to modern Western culture, but predating advances in modern sciences and social sciences – was of autonomous, atomistic individuals, living free of society and its restrictions, who entered into a social contract to form society, retaining their pre-societal natural rights. This view privileges individualism and freedom over community welfare and a healthy environment, and downplays social responsibilities and duties, for instance, as embodied in the Ten Commandments. It lacks foundation in human ecology and the deeply complex human-human and human-nature interconnectedness, but perhaps has even strengthened in modern times, going further against current science and social science, as it articulates with modern conditions and technological advances that lead people to think they are largely independent of nature and each other. By not taking such ecology and interconnections into account, Enlightenment thinking in modern times tends to view ‘creation’ or nature as mere passive ‘resources’ for human benefit and exploitation (Merchant 1980)…
The other side of viewing humans as self-contained and autonomous is viewing the environment as wilderness and wild species beyond human inhabited areas, with polar bears and rainforests its common synecdoches. People sharing these views tend not to consider the environment also to be the air we breathe, the water we drink, the food we eat, the climate in which we thrive, and the materials with which we eke out a living. The idea that environmental problems can harm people lacks salience…Thus there are other cultural factors beyond Christianity (White’s determinant) – as well as social and psychological factors – that feed into [climate change] skepticism…

We can block out unChristian feelings and ideas and just listen to Pope Francis – that’s the best solution.
 
I think we’re more agreed than I initially expected then. Can we agree that the bigger issue with plastic film shopping bags is littering rather than the landfill space they occupy (negligible)? It would be a bigger benefit to get people to carry a reusable cup around with them (if we could get restaurants on board) than cloth shopping bags.

I suspect you sometimes get flack and scorn from people who say that things like “home solar panels or electric vehicles never pay back what they cost.” (Maybe even from me!) For what it’s worth, my realization on that front is “so what?” Even if it’s true that solar panels don’t fully pay for themselves (and the finance costs) without big government subsidies, why do people harp on those who have chosen to buy them? It’s not like anybody accosts buyers of BMW’s, gets in their face and lectures them about how that vehicle is nowhere near twice as nice as the comparable Chevy of Honda model. So why do people get crazy about what you are spending on YOUR interests?

Thanks for your ongoing committment on the issue.
 
Upon reading this statement, I was reminded of my mom growing up telling us of the starving children in India that would love to have what was left on our plates. I think taking this to a broader plane, there are countries that could make good use of what we over-consume.
 
I think we’re more agreed than I initially expected then. Can we agree that the bigger issue with plastic film shopping bags is littering rather than the landfill space they occupy (negligible)? It would be a bigger benefit to get people to carry a reusable cup around with them (if we could get restaurants on board) than cloth shopping bags.

I suspect you sometimes get flack and scorn from people who say that things like “home solar panels or electric vehicles never pay back what they cost.” (Maybe even from me!) For what it’s worth, my realization on that front is “so what?” Even if it’s true that solar panels don’t fully pay for themselves (and the finance costs) without big government subsidies, why do people harp on those who have chosen to buy them? It’s not like anybody accosts buyers of BMW’s, gets in their face and lectures them about how that vehicle is nowhere near twice as nice as the comparable Chevy of Honda model. So why do people get crazy about what you are spending on YOUR interests?

Thanks for your ongoing committment on the issue.
Well, actually we did not expect any pay-back from our Volt. I considered it the right thing to do environmentally. It didn’t make much environmental sense to me to buy a Prius (non-plug-in), but a lot of sense and worth the economic cost/loss to buy an EV whatever the cost and plug it into our 100% wind powered electricity (which is cheaper than other electricity).

I hyped it to my husband as a luxury car for our final car (and compared to our clonkers it really is a luxury car). So we went whole-hog – he got the Bose sound system package and leather uphostery package, I got the rearview camera & sensor package. I would have been okay with crank-down windows…tho that was not an option :). However, I insisted on white color (no extra cost), bec it is safer (yellow, being the safest, but they didn’t have it in yellow). So we jacked up the base price by some $4000.

Later when I did an Excel spreadsheet, I calculated the the Volt would actually be saving us the difference between it an a car my husband wanted within 6.5 years (with the $7500 tax rebate), and perhaps 12 years without it…if we live that long :).

The solar cells we’re getting into next month is more for investment (since we are already 100% wind) – like a 12.5% return on investment (calculating low) – and we could have gotten a much much better return if we were doing it ourselves, with help from a friend who is getting some 30% return by doing it himself and having 2 track settings for summer and winter. Without gov subsidies, the return on investment would be less, but still much more than regular bank rates. At any rate, we will be retiring soon, and with savings from the Volt and solar panels, it will make it a lot easier for us, even tho upfront costs were very high.

I agree with your idea re BYOC (bring your own cup). There would probably be hygenic concerns handling other people’s cups, unless it were a serve-yourself. However, there is nothing wrong in doing both – BYOC and reusable shopping bags. I don’t know all the details, but I think some of those plastic bags destined for the landfill get into the Gulf, either on their way or from the landfill itself. I also take a hanky for wiping hands in public restrooms. My idea is that nothing is too small or insignificant; as Mother Teresa said, if done out of love, our love makes it infinite, like Pope Francis returning newspaper rubberbands.

The flak I get that really hurts me is not over debates about solutions (which I think are healthy, if people are rational and consider all the facts and angles), but the continual harping about environmentalists being a bunch of neopagan-pantheist-atheist-socialist-totalitarian-economy-destroying-baby-killers. I don’t know how getting off the grid gives us less freedom, or saving lives (including fetuses and babies) amounts to killing babies.

The other thing I think very serious (not at all applicable to you) is some people’s slanderous slurs against Al Gore and various other individiuals in the environmental movement or environmental scientists. I think souls may be in jeopardy bec of it.

I know I also privately think bad things about some people more often than I’d like to admit, but I try to say acts of contrition and wipe it out during confession.

I’m thinking that anger, hostility, and hatred are the next steps after sorrow. It is perfectly okay to feel sorrow for what one considers evil and bad (Our Lady lived in her 7 sorrows), but that is an unpleasant emotion, so we tend to bypass sorrow for anger and hatred and vicious humor and remarks (which feels much better than sorrow).

Lead us not into temptation, Lord.
 
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