Pope: SSPX will coming back very soon

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Well, I certainly look forward to the day when the SSPX returns to full communion with Rome.

However, I have a difficult time saying that nothing ever happened, that nothing was wrong, that the SSPX was never in an illicit state.

When you consecrate bishops without the approval of the Vatican, we have a serious problem.

I loved John Paul II. He was incredibly pastoral. He did what it took to be that great pastor. However, in order to do that, some of his decrees were worded in a nicer form, thus creating question. In this relativist society, that can be less than helpful. Had JPII issued a formal decree of excommunication (and please correct me and point me towards it if he did), we may not be in this position. Or at least, there would be clarity.

Yours in Christ,

Adam
 
NetNuncio said:
However, I have a difficult time saying that nothing ever happened, that nothing was wrong, that the SSPX was never in an illicit state.
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Thank heavens its not up to us to say these things then. :rolleyes:

Pray for our Holy Father!
 
NetNuncio said:
Well, I certainly look forward to the day when the SSPX returns to full communion with Rome.

However, I have a difficult time saying that nothing ever happened, that nothing was wrong, that the SSPX was never in an illicit state.

When you consecrate bishops without the approval of the Vatican, we have a serious problem.

I loved John Paul II. He was incredibly pastoral. He did what it took to be that great pastor. However, in order to do that, some of his decrees were worded in a nicer form, thus creating question. In this relativist society, that can be less than helpful. Had JPII issued a formal decree of excommunication (and please correct me and point me towards it if he did), we may not be in this position. Or at least, there would be clarity.

Yours in Christ,

Adam
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Ask Cardinal Husar if he was consecrated with Papal approval. St. Athanasius consecrated bishops without Papal approval while “excommunicated” and even installed these bishops as the true heads of the diocese! Archbishop Lefebvre and Bishop Castro de Mayer were well aware of the deceits back then. We must be vigilant and pray that the Society continue the fight and not be charmed by sharks as Bishop Williamson would say.
 
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pls click the following web page. that’s a very good news for all the catholics around the world. personally i wish that day will come. 👍

Let us pray for Pope Benedetto

blog.theosera.com/spirituality/the-pope-speaks-of-the-sspx-and-schism.htm

St. Joseph pray for us…

Merry Christmas …
NATALE HILARE…
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I will have to hear it from the Pope. All of these concessions seem impossible. These are the words of SSPX Superior General, Fr. Nicholas Phluger. Until then I will pray that it is true and not a misunderstanding or wishful thinking.
 
stmaria said:
I will have to hear it from the Pope. All of these concessions seem impossible. These are the words of SSPX Superior General, Fr. Nicholas Phluger. Until then I will pray that it is true and not a misunderstanding or wishful thinking.
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Benedict XVI has advocated conciliation with SSPX as far back as 1976, when he tried to convince Paul VI to accept a liturgical modus vivendi for SSPX, so that a rupture could be avoided.

Anyhow, I join in prayer that the persecution of SSPX end once and for all.
 
Praise be to God! The many good SSPX Priests are needed in the Church today. I love Benedict XVI and I hope that there is truth to this statement.
 
I’m not sure that everybody here understands that a fair number of priests ordained by Mgr Lefebvre already operate in approved fraternities, and not only FSSP but also IBP and the Campos SSJV, while others have been incardinated as chaplains to Latin Mass communities and the like.

It is also true that there are plenty of hard liners in SSPX who would not be caught dead making such a “deal,” regarded by them as a quasi-apostasy.

I continue to pray that His Holiness follow his instincts and agree to be reconciled with these priests, and the possibility is not as far fetched as some may think.
 
As somone who converted to the Church some years ago courtesy of the SSPX and its very holy priests - but who regards oneself as a mainstream traditional Catholic (I basically only attend the traditional latin mass - wherever and by whichever validly ordained priest says the mass) - I am probably biassed, but to ever think of the SSPX and those who attend its masses as anything but very faithful to Catholic tradition in every respect is so wrong.

But, unfortunately there have been so many false starts and poorly based reports about a means by which the SSPX’s status can be fully restored, that I’m not holding my breath however much I would love to see the SSPX properly respected by the Holy Father and the Church as a whole as an integral part of the Catholic Church rather than smeared as schismatic etc etc.
 
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St. Athanasius consecrated bishops without Papal approval while “excommunicated” and even installed these bishops as the true heads of the diocese!
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St Athanasius was ‘excommunicated’ by Arian Bishops not by the reigning Pope. The reigns of the Popes while St Athanasius was alive are as follows St Sylvester I (31 January 314 to 31 December 335), St Mark (18 January 336 to 7 October 336), St Julius I (6 February 337 to 12 April 352), Liberius (17 May 352 to 24 September 366), St Damasus I (1 October 366 to 11 December 384).

Arian Bishops ‘excommunicated’ Pope St Julius I (along with St Athanasius) in around 340. In 355, Pope Liberius refused to sign sign the condemnation of Athanasius and the Antipope Felix II was imposed by the Emperor. Pope Liberius lived in exile for 2 years before returning to reign as Pope.

St Athanasius was banished from his See of Alexandria to Tyre by Emperor Constatine I in around 328 but was restored by Constatine II in 337. Later Constantius II wished to depose him as Bishop of Alexandria, and St Athanasius went into hiding with the Desert Fathers from 359 to 361.
 
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I would love to see the SSPX properly respected by the Holy Father and the Church as a whole as an integral part of the Catholic Church rather than smeared as schismatic etc etc.
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Personally, I have no hard feelings towards the SSPX. While I think that they are wrong on many issues, I also believe that they are very sincere about their convictions; many within the SSPX see themselves as fighting for the true Catholic faith.

I am eternally thankful to the SSPX for preserving the Tridentine Mass. Without the SSPX, the Church would not have the FSSP and other traditionalist orders. I really believe that the Church would have lost the Tridentine Mass were it not for the SSPX. I know for certain that my parish began offering an indult Tridentine Mass in order to prevent the faithful from joining the SSPX.

On the whole the SSPX seem very orthodox in their beliefs. However, they are mistaken when it comes to the Second Vatican Council and the New Mass. I realise that not everyone likes the new Mass but all must recognise its validity. I am fond of saying that there is only one Mass of the Roman rite but we have two ways of celebrating it. The most important elements of both Masses are essentially the same.

The thing that bothers me is the fact that many Catholics show Protestants and pagans more respect than the SSPX. It is ridiculous. The SSPX believe exactly as we do on matters of faith and morals, but they are treated with utter disdain in some circles.

I look forward to the day when the SSPX are welcomed back with open arms. I have a feeling that the SSPX will be needed in the future to train young priests how to celebrate the Tridentine Mass. In years to come, all seminaries will teach priests to celebrate both forms of the Mass and the SSPX will be a great help.
 
good. i agree, without SSPX, tridentine mass long gone. for this reason, i thanks SSPX for kept burning the light of tridentine latin mass…
Deo gratias…

Merry X’mas…
Natale Hilare
 
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