Pope: too bossy?

[Church_Militant]

Good attitude Brother!

And I remembered you and yours at Mass last evening.

 

[JRKH]

Wow so many good posts, so little time. First of all, yeah I’m aware that I’m within my rights to uninvite them or give them the third degree, we’ve already stopped going to family events for the most part and our lives are much nicer for it. But… at the same time part of being a Catholic husband means living my vocation. According to my Archbishop, my family needs to be visible. We need to “let our light shine.” The joy that God has given my family in the last few years is not ours to hide under a bushel or bury in the sand – it’s ours to share.

Thanks again everyone for your insight. I think that I’ve got enough kernals of wisdom on this topic to derail the celebration for hours . But seriously, I hope that with some gentle prodding I can keep everyone in the spirit of celebration. As much as they bellyache, they have a genuine intrest and admiration for some aspects of the Church. Becides, it’s not like I didn’t act like a clown before I knew better.

Well stated above.
I wish you the very best on this special day.
This ocurred to me as I read the part about them being interested in certain aspects of Cathoicism.
After the celebration, work with the brightest and most serious of your relations. Discuss openly and seriously with them the objections they have to the church. Try to get them to look seriously at the history of the Bible and the Church. Take a look at the early church fathers.
If they listen, and learn, they can help to correct others mis-conceptions and, who knows, you may wind up with more conversions.

Peace
James

 

[JRKH]

Wow so many good posts, so little time. First of all, yeah I’m aware that I’m within my rights to uninvite them or give them the third degree, we’ve already stopped going to family events for the most part and our lives are much nicer for it. But… at the same time part of being a Catholic husband means living my vocation. According to my Archbishop, my family needs to be visible. We need to “let our light shine.” The joy that God has given my family in the last few years is not ours to hide under a bushel or bury in the sand – it’s ours to share.

Thanks again everyone for your insight. I think that I’ve got enough kernals of wisdom on this topic to derail the celebration for hours . But seriously, I hope that with some gentle prodding I can keep everyone in the spirit of celebration. As much as they bellyache, they have a genuine intrest and admiration for some aspects of the Church. Becides, it’s not like I didn’t act like a clown before I knew better.

Well stated above.
I wish you the very best on this special day.
This ocurred to me as I read the part about them being interested in certain aspects of Cathoicism.
After the celebration, work with the brightest and most serious of your relations. Discuss openly and seriously with them the objections they have to the church. Try to get them to look seriously at the history of the Bible and the Church. Take a look at the early church fathers.
If they listen, and learn, they can help to correct others mis-conceptions and, who knows, you may wind up with more conversions.

Peace
James

 

[JRKH]

Wow so many good posts, so little time. First of all, yeah I’m aware that I’m within my rights to uninvite them or give them the third degree, we’ve already stopped going to family events for the most part and our lives are much nicer for it. But… at the same time part of being a Catholic husband means living my vocation. According to my Archbishop, my family needs to be visible. We need to “let our light shine.” The joy that God has given my family in the last few years is not ours to hide under a bushel or bury in the sand – it’s ours to share.

Thanks again everyone for your insight. I think that I’ve got enough kernals of wisdom on this topic to derail the celebration for hours . But seriously, I hope that with some gentle prodding I can keep everyone in the spirit of celebration. As much as they bellyache, they have a genuine intrest and admiration for some aspects of the Church. Becides, it’s not like I didn’t act like a clown before I knew better.

Well stated above.
I wish you the very best on this special day.
This ocurred to me as I read the part about them being interested in certain aspects of Cathoicism.
After the celebration, work with the brightest and most serious of your relations. Discuss openly and seriously with them the objections they have to the church. Try to get them to look seriously at the history of the Bible and the Church. Take a look at the early church fathers.
If they listen, and learn, they can help to correct others mis-conceptions and, who knows, you may wind up with more conversions.

Peace
James

 

[the_hibernian]

Wow so many good posts, so little time. First of all, yeah I’m aware that I’m within my rights to uninvite them or give them the third degree, we’ve already stopped going to family events for the most part and our lives are much nicer for it. But… at the same time part of being a Catholic husband means living my vocation. According to my Archbishop, my family needs to be visible. We need to “let our light shine.” The joy that God has given my family in the last few years is not ours to hide under a bushel or bury in the sand – it’s ours to share.

Thanks again everyone for your insight. I think that I’ve got enough kernals of wisdom on this topic to derail the celebration for hours . But seriously, I hope that with some gentle prodding I can keep everyone in the spirit of celebration. As much as they bellyache, they have a genuine intrest and admiration for some aspects of the Church. Becides, it’s not like I didn’t act like a clown before I knew better.

There is a book called Pope Fiction which I picked up a few years ago that dispels many myths about the papacy. As a cradle Catholic, I found it rather elementary but many converts have told me they found it helpful.

 

[Steadfast_love]

Thanks for your prayers!

It was a wonderful time, and my relatives only had nice things to say about the Church. Glowing reviews actualy! My Dad says the day was the “happiest of his life” and said so to several people. My mom is starting to make the same journey I made… she’s against Purgatory but *for * intersession of saints. She’s against Papal infalability but she’s for the “gates of hell not prevailing against the rock.” She believes that the Holy Spirit will keep the faithful in line, but she’s not sure about the Magisterium… yet!

Likewise my extended family all said they had spiritual and/or mystical experiences. I guess I shortchanged the HS on this one, I just didn’t expect it to be such a moving experience for them. Anyway, thanks again for your prayers and support.

 

[fellowChristian]

Wow what a wonderful opportunity for your family to come to Mass!

Thats how we should look at these times.

As opportunities to share our Faith to let others in to see it up close.

Congratulations!

 

[didymus]

The objection is that historicaly and in the present day Popes have used their authority badly.

Thinking of B16, he commanded us to practice lectio divina if we want the church to flourish. He commanded us to drop limbo. He gave us increased access to the Latin mass. He’s also offered countless exhortations to pray, be holy, etc… but nothing that chafes a well intentioned Christian.

Can anyone put this in a broader context for me? Any threads or articles?

Thanks in advance!

You’re correct in saying he exhorts (and preaches, and teaches). I certainly don’t remember him “commanding” us to pray the lectio divina. As for Limbo, he was trying to teach & clarify that Limbo has always been a theological speculation, not an official dogma of the Church.
Even when His Holiness was in charge of the Holy Office he moved slowly before disciplining anyone. With theologians that usually meant that they could no longer call themselves Catholic theologians.

Now, if you want to talk about bossy . . . I’ve had born-again friends whose pastors call them out for their sins from the pulpit, tell them whether to accept a job offer, whom they should be involved with, &c.

 

[JRKH]

Thanks for your prayers!

It was a wonderful time, and my relatives only had nice things to say about the Church. Glowing reviews actualy! My Dad says the day was the “happiest of his life” and said so to several people. My mom is starting to make the same journey I made… she’s against Purgatory but *for * intersession of saints. She’s against Papal infalability but she’s for the “gates of hell not prevailing against the rock.” She believes that the Holy Spirit will keep the faithful in line, but she’s not sure about the Magisterium… yet!

Likewise my extended family all said they had spiritual and/or mystical experiences. I guess I shortchanged the HS on this one, I just didn’t expect it to be such a moving experience for them. Anyway, thanks again for your prayers and support.

So Glad to hear that all went so well. Even more so because your family has decided to, not only accept your conversion, but begin a journey of understanding and learning themselves.

Given your family’s background I should like to recommend Steven Ray as a resource. I have a CD of his called “Finding the Fullness of Faith” about his own journey which I aquired from our Church and is produced by Lighthouse Catholic Media.
His background is evangelical protestant and he brings that same sort of energy to his talks and demolishes a number of misconceptions that protestants have about the Church and the Bible. It is very easy to listen to.

May God continue to Bless you Abundantly.

Peace
James