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raygan77
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When the Holy Father gives title of “Saint” to a peson already deceased, is this an infallible decision?
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Marie
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Yes. Canonization is understood as the concession of public worship in the Universal Church. Pontifical infallibility is involved. It is a long process so the Pope does not just pick and choose willy nilly.
In exercising supreme, full, and immediate power in the universal Church, the Roman pontiff makes use of the departments of the Roman Curia which, therefore, perform their duties in his name and with his authority for the good of the churches and in the service of the sacred pastors.
CHRISTUS DOMINUS, 9
Here are the official canonical procedure for causes of beatification and canonization:
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=4428
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jccurtis
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If beatification is infallible, and therefore guarentees that the person is in heaven, what need do we have for the declaration of a Sainthood? What is the difference between ‘Blessed’ and ‘Saint’ besides a further infallible declaration?
This issue has confused me for a while now.
This issue has confused me for a while now.
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The_Barrister
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In my opinion, the Pope does not “guarantee” that a person is in Heaven. He merely states the Church’s collective belief that the person is in heaven and *has * interceded for one or more persons on earth, based upon the canonical process. In other words, the pronouncement is theological certain, but certain as to what? That the person is in Heaven, or that the person practiced saintly virtues here on Earth and died without mortal sin? Many theologians (of which I am not one) have debated this for a long time. See the Catholic Encyclopedia for more.
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The_Barrister
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Forgot to add, also from the Catholic Encyclopedia:
This general agreement of theologians as to papal infallibility in canonization must not be extended to beatification, not withstanding the contrary teaching of the canonical commentary known as "Glossa"Hope this helps.
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Marie
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According to the Catholic Encyclopedia:
Canonization, generally speaking, is a decree regarding the public ecclesiastical veneration of an individual. Such veneration, however, may be permissive or preceptive, may be universal or local. If the decree contains a precept, and is universal in the sense that it binds the whole Church, it is a decree of canonization.
If it only permits such worship, or if it binds under precept, but not with regard to the whole Church, it is a decree of beatification.
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liv3ordie
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We know you didn’t mean worship. But please be careful with such language, we have a hard enough time with the fundamentalists as it is!
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Marie
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Yes! We do know what I mean. But as I am not speaking to a fundie, if they trip over symantic’s we will deal with it one problem at a time.
I am not given much to care about what they may or may not think with every breath I breath or word I say. I live in the good ole Bible Belt and have a family full of Fundies. If a fundie wishes further explaination then it will serve as good information to start the conversation.
They can start at the beginning here. The Churchs words not mine. The official first sentence is the same as mine. Worship.
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