Possible to make a licit confession and still be hellbound?

[helpme94]

I read a statement that said if we had a sequence of events that happened in this order, this is what would happen.

1. Comit a mortal sin
2. Go to confession and get absolved (and really mean to confess, not just half heartedly)
3. die

If it happened in this order I read that we would either go to purgatory or hell, not heaven. I can understand not going straight to heaven but why is hell even a choice? Could one confessed mortal sin so close to death really put us in hell? Also, I read that purgatory is a place of temporary suffering before we are clean enough to go to heaven. Is it similar to the excruciating suffering in hell or is it more of just toil to become a better person? Obviously we don’t know the exact answer to any of these questions, but based on your faith and religious knowledge put forth your best answer.

 

[Rudolfo]

What is the source document or book from which you have gleaned these illustrious but peculiar words of wisdom? Is it a Catholic book? Does it have the Obstat? Is it something recent or old? Are you taking this section out of context from the rest of the book, that is perhaps a mortal sin UNREPENTED was mentioned earlier?

It would be much easier to answer your question knowing the above to get the context. However, not knowing I will give this answer:

You would not go to hell, unless there is some other hidden evil unrepented we’re not covering. The Sacrament of Confession, as you say sincerely made, would of course absolve you from all sins.

 

[divinefaith]

No you would not go to hell if you’ve confessed your mortal sins. But yes you must truly be sorry to be forgiven. Thats the genuine Catholic teaching. Remember Christ’s forgiveness of Mary Magdelin, the paralysed boy etc. They were reunited with God.

 

[divinefaith]

No you would not go to hell if you’ve confessed your mortal sins. But yes you must truly be sorry to be forgiven. Thats the genuine Catholic teaching. Remember Christ’s forgiveness of Mary Magdelin, the paralysed boy etc. They were reunited with God.

 

[thistle]

I read a statement that said if we had a sequence of events that happened in this order, this is what would happen.

1. Comit a mortal sin
2. Go to confession and get absolved (and really mean to confess, not just half heartedly)
3. die

If it happened in this order I read that we would either go to purgatory or hell, not heaven. I can understand not going straight to heaven but why is hell even a choice? Could one confessed mortal sin so close to death really put us in hell? Also, I read that purgatory is a place of temporary suffering before we are clean enough to go to heaven. Is it similar to the excruciating suffering in hell or is it more of just toil to become a better person? Obviously we don’t know the exact answer to any of these questions, but based on your faith and religious knowledge put forth your best answer.

Where specifically are you getting your information from because its totally wrong.

If you go to Confession and sincerely confess all mortal sins you can remember having committed and the priest gives you absolution then if you immediately die you will be saved. That could mean straight to Heaven or Purgatory first but in both cases it means saved.

 

[helpme94]

Thank you for your responses. I didn’t think this was correct but I just wanted to discuss it with my fellow catholics. now what about purgatory? is the suffering there before heaven equal to the suffering in hell, just not for eternity?

 

[thistle]

Thank you for your responses. I didn’t think this was correct but I just wanted to discuss it with my fellow catholics. now what about purgatory? is the suffering there before heaven equal to the suffering in hell, just not for eternity?

The suffering in Purgatory is not equal to the suffering in Hell. That is a Church teaching.

CCC 1031 The Church gives the name Purgatory to this final purification of the elect, which is entirely different from the punishment of the damned. The Church formulated her doctrine of faith on Purgatory especially at the Councils of Florence and Trent. The tradition of the Church, by reference to certain texts of Scripture, speaks of a cleansing fire:

As for certain lesser faults, we must believe that, before the Final Judgment, there is a purifying fire. He who is truth says that whoever utters blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will be pardoned neither in this age nor in the age to come. From this sentence we understand that certain offenses can be forgiven in this age, but certain others in the age to come.

 

[paperclip]

A great quote by C.S Lewis:

''Our souls demand Purgatory, don’t they? Would it not break the heart if God said to us, ‘It is true, my son, that your breath smells and your rags drip with mud and slime, but we are charitable here and no one will upbraid you with these things, nor draw away from you. Enter into the joy’? Should we not reply, ‘With submission, sir, and if there is no objection, I’d rather be cleaned first.’ ‘It may hurt, you know’ - ‘Even so, sir.’

 

[Giuseppe_Gavino]

I read a statement that said if we had a sequence of events that happened in this order, this is what would happen.

1. Comit a mortal sin
2. Go to confession and get absolved (and really mean to confess, not just half heartedly)
3. die

If it happened in this order I read that we would either go to purgatory or hell, not heaven. I can understand not going straight to heaven but why is hell even a choice? Could one confessed mortal sin so close to death really put us in hell? Also,

If you confess your mortal sins and receive absolution then you are forgiven and will be saved if you were to die after confession. If you have yet to pay or make recompense for the sins then you will go to purgatory.

I read that purgatory is a place of temporary suffering before we are clean enough to go to heaven. Is it similar to the excruciating suffering in hell or is it more of just toil to become a better person? Obviously we don’t know the exact answer to any of these questions, but based on your faith and religious knowledge put forth your best answer.

It is said the same fires in Hell are used in purgatory and that the amount of suffering and punishment is determined by the persons past sins. The greatest suffering in purgatory though is the separation from God. The torments in purgatory are said to vary from extreme heat, to extreme cold. Other accounts of purgatory from the lives of the saints, blessed, venerable and ordinary laymen, show diverse punishments. Souls from purgatory have come back to warn others about its existence and plead for prayers: they have even left visible markings such as burned hand prints. A book I would recommend reading is called “Hungry Souls: Supernatural Visits, Messages, and Warnings from Purgatory” By: Gerard J.M. van den Aardweg. Another good book I would recommend on Hell would be “The Dogma of Hell: Illustrated by Facts Taken from Profane and Sacred History / How to Avoid Hell” by F.X. Schouppe, Thomas A. Nelson.

 

[rel1]

I thought we were all going to shake and have a beer.

 

[Joe_Kelley]

Purgatory is the repair shop; Hell is the junk yard.

 

[DihydrogenOxide]

The suffering in Purgatory is not equal to the suffering in Hell. That is a Church teaching.
CCC 1031 The Church gives the name Purgatory to this final purification of the elect, which is entirely different from the punishment of the damned.

That’s not saying it is not an intense, terrible suffering. Even some saints spoke about how demons torture people in purgatory and it is like hell in many ways. The exception is, that the person is only detained there for a certain amount of time in reparation of sin.

Some people don’t realize, that just because one is only there for a certain period of “time”, that it isn’t a place you want to aim to go after death. It’s far better to suffer here for our sins than there, because the pain is far greater there.

A classic book on purgatory, that has actually helped me better examine my conscience is Purgatory: Explained by the Lives and Legends of the Saints by Fr. Schuppe.
It’s a very revealing book.

 

[thistle]

That’s not saying it is not an intense, terrible suffering. Even some saints spoke about how demons torture people in purgatory and it is like hell in many ways. The exception is, that the person is only detained there for a certain amount of time in reparation of sin.

Some people don’t realize, that just because one is only there for a certain period of “time”, that it isn’t a place you want to aim to go after death. It’s far better to suffer here for our sins than there, because the pain is far greater there.

A classic book on purgatory, that has actually helped me better examine my conscience is Purgatory: Explained by the Lives and Legends of the Saints by Fr. Schuppe.
It’s a very revealing book.

The Church teaching is clear. They are not the same.
The suffering in Puragtory is a purification.
The suffering in Hell is a punishment.

 

[DihydrogenOxide]

The Church teaching is clear. They are not the same.
The suffering in Puragtory is a purification.
The suffering in Hell is a punishment.

And what red herring is this? I said exactly the same thing you did. YOU ARE STILL SUFFERING. Purgatory is suffering with hope. Hell is without hope.

Hell is forever, purgatory is temporary reparation. Tell me what I said that did not coincide with Church teaching.

It is a purification, but that does not mean that it is not torturous. Who is to say that purification and pain are not the same in purgatory? I would hardly argue with the saints who saw it.

Let me quote only one of the saints, St. Therese of Lisieux:

"Since God does not really want Purgatory, He does not want it for meeither! But then I also have to not want it! Nobody would expose themselves to thedanger of Purgatory by living a mediocre and–as is the case so often today–a sinful life. If they only thought of the intense sufferings in Purgatory. In this regard, the mystics unanimously say that the least suffering in Purgatory is much greater than the greatest suffering here on earth!The reason for thisis that once in Purgatory, one does not go through the time of God’s Mercy but of God’s Justice. Here, the Lord’s word applies: “1 tell you, you will not get out until you have paid the very last copper’ (Lk 12:59). The manywhocarelessly say, “I will probably spend some time there,” are gravely wrong. Nobody just spends some time there,one has tosuffer there like one has never suffered nor could have suffered while on earth. Oneoften even suffers a long time there also. If the Poor Souls in Purgatory had known on earth what to expect in eternity, Purgatory would have remained empty.”

St. Catherine of Genoa, whom God showed purgatory said:

“No tongue can express, nor any mind form any idea of what Purgatory really is. As to the suffering, it is equal to that of hell. Purgatory has all the pains of hell, except one, which is the most horrible of the pains of hell. This one difference between Purgatory and hell is the one seldom thought of by people, especially if they are on their way to hell. This greatest suffering of the lost souls of hell is that they are separated from God forever. The souls in Purgatory have as their one hope, their sole consolation, the knowledge that one day, maybe centuries away, but one day they will be with God forever.”

 

[thistle]

The Church teaching is clear. They are not the same.
The suffering in Puragtory is a purification.
The suffering in Hell is a punishment.

The suffering of purification is not as bad as the suffering in Hell.

 

[fall_fox]

I read a statement that said if we had a sequence of events that happened in this order, this is what would happen.

1. Comit a mortal sin
2. Go to confession and get absolved (and really mean to confess, not just half heartedly)
3. die

If it happened in this order I read that we would either go to purgatory or hell, not heaven. I can understand not going straight to heaven but why is hell even a choice? Could one confessed mortal sin so close to death really put us in hell? Also, I read that purgatory is a place of temporary suffering before we are clean enough to go to heaven. Is it similar to the excruciating suffering in hell or is it more of just toil to become a better person? Obviously we don’t know the exact answer to any of these questions, but based on your faith and religious knowledge put forth your best answer.

I don’t know what you have been reading, but it is just as wrong as it could be. If you go to confession with a firm desire to make a good confession, and some how you failed to confess a mortal sin, that mortal sin is forgiven along with the sins you did confess. Then You died, you may need to do some time in purgatory, I’m not positive about that, but you sure won’t go to hell. Now, if you didn’t die, you might want to confess that sin in your next confession, BUT you wouldn’t need to because it has already been forgiven.

 

[fall_fox]

Thank you for your responses. I didn’t think this was correct but I just wanted to discuss it with my fellow catholics. now what about purgatory? is the suffering there before heaven equal to the suffering in hell, just not for eternity?

I’m getting to be an old guy, and the way I was tought by our good Sisters, was a lot of burning going on especially with that part of your body that caused you to sin.If you were a thief, appairntly your hand would burn. If you were… well that is going to be enough example. I don’t know and I don’t think they knew, but what I think is the punishment in purgatory is not seeing the face of God, the Beatific Vision (sp).

 

[Joe_Kelley]

I’m getting to be an old guy, and the way I was tought by our good Sisters, was a lot of burning going on especially with that part of your body that caused you to sin.If you were a thief, appairntly your hand would burn. If you were… well that is going to be enough example. I don’t know and I don’t think they knew, but what I think is the punishment in purgatory is not seeing the face of God, the Beatific Vision (sp).

The descriptions of pain in Purgatory are speculative analogies to earthly sufferings. There are no bodies in Purgatory; only souls.

 

[Fone_Bone_2001]

That’s not saying it is not an intense, terrible suffering. Even some saints spoke about how demons torture people in purgatory and it is like hell in many ways. The exception is, that the person is only detained there for a certain amount of time in reparation of sin.

The exception? The far bigger, more significant difference is that the souls in purgatory have hope. No matter how great their suffering is, surely they must be glad to be growing holier and inestimably grateful in the security of their knowledge that they are heaven-bound.

I know you didn’t contradict that, I just think on a rhetorical level it makes no sense to say “the exception is” the time difference, especially since we don’t have a real understanding of how time functions in matters of eternity anyway.

The descriptions of pain in Purgatory are speculative analogies to earthly sufferings. There are no bodies in Purgatory; only souls.

Precisely.

 

[The_Old_Medic]

I read a statement that said if we had a sequence of events that happened in this order, this is what would happen.

1. Comit a mortal sin
2. Go to confession and get absolved (and really mean to confess, not just half heartedly)
3. die

If it happened in this order I read that we would either go to purgatory or hell, not heaven. I can understand not going straight to heaven but why is hell even a choice? Could one confessed mortal sin so close to death really put us in hell? Also, I read that purgatory is a place of temporary suffering before we are clean enough to go to heaven. Is it similar to the excruciating suffering in hell or is it more of just toil to become a better person? Obviously we don’t know the exact answer to any of these questions, but based on your faith and religious knowledge put forth your best answer.

Why do you refuse to provide the source of this “teaching”? You say that you read a statement that said that going to hell was an option. OK, tell us what the source of that statement is, so we can read it, and repudiate it if it is being taught by a Catholic.