Post Vatican II

[khkhk]

Even though after Vatican II, there was and still is a lot less reverence, isn’t it still possible to make mass more reverent so that maybe if people my age turn from being irreverent to being reverent, that the Church might change to still be the way it is-just more reverent? (example: cutting back on living together, rejecting abortion, stem-cell research, etc…) And any ideas on setting a good example for fellow students that I go to school with?

 

[puzzleannie]

We are concentrating on teaching the children and youth proper understanding of the Mass on the theory if you know what is happening you will better be able to pay attention and keep from getting bored, the root of poor behavior. We are teaching them to genuflect, observe sacred silence, respond, sing and participate appropriately, and also urging them to set an example for the adults.

 

[HagiaSophia]

puzzleannie:

We are concentrating on teaching the children and youth proper understanding of the Mass on the theory if you know what is happening you will better be able to pay attention and keep from getting bored, the root of poor behavior. We are teaching them to genuflect, observe sacred silence, respond, sing and participate appropriately, and also urging them to set an example for the adults.

Sounds like a great way to teach them. I wish more parishes would take it up.

 

[JimG]

(example: cutting back on living together, rejecting abortion, stem-cell research, etc…) And any ideas on setting a good example for fellow students that I go to school with?

Cutting back on living together? How about eliminating it entirely? Fornication is, after all, still a sin. I’m with you on the others. Except that we don’t need to reject all stem cell research, only that which relies on destroying embroys.

With respect to the Mass, sure it’s possible to make it more reverent. I’ve seen some very reverent Masses celebrated in the new rite.

 

[Bulldog]

JimG:

Cutting back on living together? How about eliminating it entirely? Fornication is, after all, still a sin. I’m with you on the others. Except that we don’t need to reject all stem cell research, only that which relies on destroying embroys.

With respect to the Mass, sure it’s possible to make it more reverent. I’ve seen some very reverent Masses celebrated in the new rite.

I wish people would just stop chatting after Mass till they get the door… I understand a whisper for a couple to grap the baby’s stuff… just my :twocents:

 

[Deacon_Tony560]

I agree that you get out of Mass, what you bring to Mass. The old saying that you can bring a horse to water, but can’t make him drink, is the same as saying that you can bring a person to Mass, but can’t make them get anything out of it. If the young people realized that there is something more mysterious than a Harry Potter movie going on in real life at the Mass, they might begin to apply themselves more.

God bless you,
Deacon Tony SFO

 

[deogratias]

example: cutting back on living together

That’s not even close to what the Church teaches - they should be taught that there is no premarital sex at all, and no cohabitation at all.

How do you “cut back” - live together only once in a while? I don’t get that?

 

[Crusader]

khkhk:

Even though after Vatican II, there was and still is a lot less reverence, isn’t it still possible to make mass more reverent so that maybe if people my age turn from being irreverent to being reverent, that the Church might change to still be the way it is-just more reverent? (example: cutting back on living together, rejecting abortion, stem-cell research, etc…) And any ideas on setting a good example for fellow students that I go to school with?

Don’t attempt to use Vatican Council II or the Novus Ordo Mass as scapegoats for irreverent behavior. Your suggesting a linkage that simply does not exist…

 

[khkhk]

JimG:

Cutting back on living together? How about eliminating it entirely? Fornication is, after all, still a sin. I’m with you on the others. Except that we don’t need to reject all stem cell research, only that which relies on destroying embroys.

With respect to the Mass, sure it’s possible to make it more reverent. I’ve seen some very reverent Masses celebrated in the new rite.

Well of course that’s what I meant! I wish it would be eliminated completely! I only meant the part of stem cell reaserch that destroys embroys.

 

[servantofgod]

Crusader:

Don’t attempt to use Vatican Council II or the Novus Ordo Mass as scapegoats for irreverent behavior. Your suggesting a linkage that simply does not exist…

I agree with you Crusader. The Vatican Council II as I understand it was held in part to find ways to bring the Mass closer to the people of God’s Church – presumably so that, through a better understanding of it, the members could be more reverent. The tendency was under Pre-Vatican II liturgy (perhaps because of the Latin and such) to be more easily distracted, and thus less reverent, during the Mass.

So V-II actually was designed to encourage reverence that is still often lacking in today’s Masses. So, why is it that there is persistent lack of reverence during Masses today? Certainly not because of the changes made by V-II. Possibly, it is because of our human societies that are being allowed to perpetuate ill-conceived and oft-contrary-to-God’s-Will norms and ‘standards’ of conduct.

 

[deogratias]

The Vatican Council II as I understand it was held in part to find ways to bring the Mass closer to the people of God’s Church – presumably so that, through a better understanding of it, the members could be more reverent

I wonder how many people really have a better understanding of the Mass - and this would apply to both the pre and post Vatican II Masses.

I would guess that those who participate in this forum have a greater understanding of the meaning of the Mass than the average person in the pew both then and now. I am not talking about rubics or when we do what but the “why” of it, the deeper meaning of each part of the Mass. Might make a good thread for discussion.

Fr. Charles Belmonte, Opus Dei Priest, wrote in 1989 -

"The chief element of the liturgy should be interior. For each one of us must always live in Christ and give ourselves to him completely, so that in him, with him, and through him the heavenly Father may be duly worshiped and glorified. The sacred liturgy requires, however, that its exterior and interior elements be intimately linked with each other"