Practical problems?

[ematouk]

Here are some issues I find problematic in the Roman Rite of the Catholic Church.

1. First communion and delayed confirmation of infants already baptised and part of the church (Matthew 19:14)
2. Baptism by sprinkling rather then immersion (while I do agree baptism by sprinkling is valid, I find it sad that RCC rarely baptises by immersion anymore)
3. Communion of the body of Christ, without the blood. Against the words of our Lord (John 6:53; Matthew 26:26-28)
4. Not allowing divorce, even in the case of Adultery (Matthew 5:32). Also instituting enullment to some couples even though this has no precedant in the early church.
5. Salvation of Non-believers (Vatican II: THE MYSTERY OF THE CHURCH, paragraph 16, November 21, 1964)

Has the byzantine rite adopted these practices and beliefs? Do Byzantine Catholics still use leavened bread?

Thankyou for your responses.
God bless.

 

[Isa_Almisry]

Here are some issues I find problematic in the Roman Rite of the Catholic Church.

1. First communion and delayed confirmation of infants already baptised and part of the church (Matthew 19:14)
2. Baptism by sprinkling rather then immersion (while I do agree baptism by sprinkling is valid, I find it sad that RCC rarely baptises by immersion anymore)
3. Communion of the body of Christ, without the blood. Against the words of our Lord (John 6:53; Matthew 26:26-28)
4. Not allowing divorce, even in the case of Adultery (Matthew 5:32). Also instituting enullment to some couples even though this has no precedant in the early church.
5. Salvation of Non-believers (Vatican II: THE MYSTERY OF THE CHURCH, paragraph 16, November 21, 1964)

Has the byzantine rite adopted these practices and beliefs? Do Byzantine Catholics still use leavened bread?

Thankyou for your responses.
God bless.

1. and 3. have been making a come back of sorts even in the Roman rite. The uniates have not adopted this practices, by and large, nor 1.

1, 4, 5 are issues with the Latin church, to which the uniates have joined themselves. 4. would be interesting to answer, since the premise would run into the problem that the ceremonies don’t have vows, and whether the uniates stick to the Orthodox understanding that the priest marries the couple (in which case HIS intent becomes an issue for the annullment: the Western one hangs on the belief that the couple marries themselves).

 

[puzzleannie]

Here are some issues I find problematic in the Roman Rite of the Catholic Church.

1. First communion and delayed confirmation of infants already baptised and part of the church (Matthew 19:14)
2. Baptism by sprinkling rather then immersion (while I do agree baptism by sprinkling is valid, I find it sad that RCC rarely baptises by immersion anymore)
3. Communion of the body of Christ, without the blood. Against the words of our Lord (John 6:53; Matthew 26:26-28)
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I am with you on #1, but the bishops make the laws, I don’t.

I have not attended a baptism in many years where several infants were baptized where immersion was not an option. granddaughter was just baptized in that way. If have also witnessed the natural consequence of dunking boy babies in cold water several times as well. Adults of course are by preference baptized by immersion, and in 25 years of EAster Vigils I have never seen it done otherwise.

If you do not recognize that Jesus is full present, Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity under both or either species of the consecrated bread and wine, you do not understand the theology on Eucharist of your own rite, which precisely accords with the RC. I do agree that communion under both species is most properly given to the laity through intinction, with vessels designed for the purpose, in fact if it is not going to be done that way, I prefer that the Body alone be offered.

 

[Hesychios]

Glory to Jesus Christ!

Hello Annie,

If you do not recognize that Jesus is full present, Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity under both or either species of the consecrated bread and wine, you do not understand the theology …

It is sad that this has ever had to become an issue.

One look at how the Latin rite decided to commune under one species and it is obvious how rtragic it is. You are basically using the same old argument.

It goes something like this:

**- Just in case you don’t believe that one aspect of the Sacred Species is sufficient…we will spite you and take one away!

So there! -

**That is thus far all the justification the post-schism Latin rite church has been able to come up with to explain it’s own decision to change communion practices. A big zero…and you have just pulled it out again.

Christ commanded that Holy communion be done a certain way. So we do it as best we can without question. We don’t make excuses for when we can’t, we just do the best we can.

Michael

 

[Aramis]

Here are some issues I find problematic in the Roman Rite of the Catholic Church.

1. First communion and delayed confirmation of infants already baptised and part of the church (Matthew 19:14)
2. Baptism by sprinkling rather then immersion (while I do agree baptism by sprinkling is valid, I find it sad that RCC rarely baptises by immersion anymore)
3. Communion of the body of Christ, without the blood. Against the words of our Lord (John 6:53; Matthew 26:26-28)
4. Not allowing divorce, even in the case of Adultery (Matthew 5:32). Also instituting enullment to some couples even though this has no precedant in the early church.
5. Salvation of Non-believers (Vatican II: THE MYSTERY OF THE CHURCH, paragraph 16, November 21, 1964)

Has the byzantine rite adopted these practices and beliefs? Do Byzantine Catholics still use leavened bread?

Thankyou for your responses.
God bless.

Delayed communion and confirmation: some have, some haven’t. The Ruthenians did, but are going back to infant reception.

There are 3 forms of baptism: Sprinkling, Pouring, and Immersing. I’ve never seen sprinkling (ever) even tho’ it’s allowed under canon law. I’ve seen both pouring and immersion in the Roman for both children and adults, I’ve never seen an adult Ruthenian baptism, but I’ve seen children immersed or poured.

Communion under one species: Theologically, it’s a non-issue. That being said, a few of the Eastern Churches do allow it. The rest use intinction in one form or another.

Annulment is more powerful than divorce; the Church DOES allow divorce, but not remarriage after divorce. Christ himself says that if a man divorces a woman, then marries another, he commits adultery, as does the second wife. Annulment is a decree that no spiritual marriage existed, and that the natural marriage was flawed from inception.

Salvation of the faithful: yes, that is almost dogma, at least it is WRT the Orthodox (both Eastern and Oriental) and the Assyrians.

 

[Arthur22124]

Glory to Jesus Christ!

Hello Annie, It is sad that this has ever had to become an issue.

One look at how the Latin rite decided to commune under one species and it is obvious how rtragic it is. You are basically using the same old argument.

It goes something like this:

- Just in case you don’t believe that one aspect of the Sacred Species is sufficient…we will spite you and take one away!

So there! -

That is thus far all the justification the post-schism Latin rite church has been able to come up with to explain it’s own decision to change communion practices. A big zero…and you have just pulled it out again.

Christ commanded that Holy communion be done a certain way. So we do it as best we can without question. We don’t make excuses for when we can’t, we just do the best we can.

Michael

This post is just simply way out of line. It is abusive to Catholicism and supremely disrespectful. It really does demand an apology.