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Seamus_Sully
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Any help?
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otm
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Criminy! I had to get out my funk and Wagnels to read the post… you might give the rest of us the definition of the the word “anagoge”; I sure had never heard it before…
As to literal, perhaps you mean literary? Literal is too aligned with theological arguements vs. contextual, but I would think that the first level of reading scripture, or meditating on scripture, might be to trreat it as a literary work, as opposed to a specific approach of literal vs contextual.
That said, it isn’t something I have spent any amount of time thinking about, but there would appear to be some connection between the two.
And as an aside, is there room in your prayer format for liturgical?
As to literal, perhaps you mean literary? Literal is too aligned with theological arguements vs. contextual, but I would think that the first level of reading scripture, or meditating on scripture, might be to trreat it as a literary work, as opposed to a specific approach of literal vs contextual.
That said, it isn’t something I have spent any amount of time thinking about, but there would appear to be some connection between the two.
And as an aside, is there room in your prayer format for liturgical?
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Seamus_Sully
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From the Catechism of the Catholic Church
The senses of Scripture
115 According to an ancient tradition, one can distinguish between two senses of Scripture: the literal and the spiritual, the latter being subdivided into the allegorical, moral, and anagogical senses. The profound concordance of the four senses guarantees all its richness to the living reading of Scripture in the Church.
116 The literal sense is the meaning conveyed by the words of Scripture and discovered by exegesis, following the rules of sound interpretation: “All other senses of Sacred Scripture are based on the literal.”
117 The spiritual sense. Thanks to the unity of God’s plan, not only the text of Scripture but also the realities and events about which it speaks can be signs.
The Letter speaks of deeds; Allegory to faith;
The Moral how to act; Anagogy our destiny.
119 “It is the task of exegetes to work, according to these rules, toward a better understanding and explanation of the meaning of Sacred Scripture in order that their research may help the Church to form a firmer judgment. For, of course, all that has been said about the manner of interpreting Scripture is ultimately subject to the judgment of the Church which exercises the divinely conferred commission and ministry of watching over and interpreting the Word of God.”
But I would not believe in the Gospel, had not the authority of the Catholic Church already moved me.
The senses of Scripture
115 According to an ancient tradition, one can distinguish between two senses of Scripture: the literal and the spiritual, the latter being subdivided into the allegorical, moral, and anagogical senses. The profound concordance of the four senses guarantees all its richness to the living reading of Scripture in the Church.
116 The literal sense is the meaning conveyed by the words of Scripture and discovered by exegesis, following the rules of sound interpretation: “All other senses of Sacred Scripture are based on the literal.”
117 The spiritual sense. Thanks to the unity of God’s plan, not only the text of Scripture but also the realities and events about which it speaks can be signs.
- The allegorical sense. We can acquire a more profound understanding of events by recognizing their significance in Christ; thus the crossing of the Red Sea is a sign or type of Christ’s victory and also of Christian Baptism.
- The moral sense. The events reported in Scripture ought to lead us to act justly. As St. Paul says, they were written “for our instruction.”
- The anagogical sense (Greek: anagoge, “leading”). We can view realities and events in terms of their eternal significance, leading us toward our true homeland: thus the Church on earth is a sign of the heavenly Jerusalem.
The Letter speaks of deeds; Allegory to faith;
The Moral how to act; Anagogy our destiny.
119 “It is the task of exegetes to work, according to these rules, toward a better understanding and explanation of the meaning of Sacred Scripture in order that their research may help the Church to form a firmer judgment. For, of course, all that has been said about the manner of interpreting Scripture is ultimately subject to the judgment of the Church which exercises the divinely conferred commission and ministry of watching over and interpreting the Word of God.”
But I would not believe in the Gospel, had not the authority of the Catholic Church already moved me.
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Seamus_Sully
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And as an aside, is there room in your prayer format for liturgical?
I have went to daily Mass for over 25 years. It is the best prayer!!!
I have went to daily Mass for over 25 years. It is the best prayer!!!
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Seamus_Sully
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Concerning the Holy Mass, one best sees these four levels of prayer in the entire sacrifice of the Holy Mass. However it is best prayed in the readings. The reading are works of the Holy Spirit’s art. The reading reflect the four levels of scripture. The new readings were so well made that many other Christians used them in their Sunday worship.
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Makaveli
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This is probably not relevant to the other quotes posted because I haven’t read them yet. But the 4 purposes of prayer are actally :
- Adoration
- Thanksgiving
- Petition
- Reparation
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Seamus_Sully
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Yes.
This happens many times during the sacrifice of Mass.
I hope to find the energy and clarity of mind to answer my own question on this thread.
However, I hope some saintly scholar out there finds this thread and answers it for me.
Thanks.
This happens many times during the sacrifice of Mass.
I hope to find the energy and clarity of mind to answer my own question on this thread.
However, I hope some saintly scholar out there finds this thread and answers it for me.
Thanks.
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Jim_Baur
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YES!!!
If one can locate a copy of “Intimacy with God”, then you will see that Keating shows a beautiful correlation of the two.
I think it is around pages 40-50s, but that is from memory.
Keating from Snowmas, CO
His book Intimacy with God.
YES!!!
If one can locate a copy of “Intimacy with God”, then you will see that Keating shows a beautiful correlation of the two.
I think it is around pages 40-50s, but that is from memory.
Keating from Snowmas, CO
His book Intimacy with God.
YES!!!
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Seamus_Sully
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I was wondering!
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Seamus_Sully
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Might there be further help?
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suburbanbanshee
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Seamus, welcome to the wonderful world of reading primary sources. 
If you go to the Fathers and to the medieval and mystical theologians, you’ll find lots on these sorts of topics. I suspect Keating’s book will have a bibliography or footnotes that can start you off on the hunt. Lectio divina books probably will, too.
The thing is, there are plenty of times when you’ll “think with the Church” and find out that a whole library full of other people have thought about that before you. A lot of times, that topic won’t have much in the way of popular or easy-to-find or even vaguely recent books available. But research is fun, and the Internet makes it a lot easier than it used to be. You just need that first book to show you what to look for.
If you go to the Fathers and to the medieval and mystical theologians, you’ll find lots on these sorts of topics. I suspect Keating’s book will have a bibliography or footnotes that can start you off on the hunt. Lectio divina books probably will, too.The thing is, there are plenty of times when you’ll “think with the Church” and find out that a whole library full of other people have thought about that before you. A lot of times, that topic won’t have much in the way of popular or easy-to-find or even vaguely recent books available. But research is fun, and the Internet makes it a lot easier than it used to be. You just need that first book to show you what to look for.
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Seamus_Sully
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Thanks!!!
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