Prayers just sound better in Latin

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I have read that the early Roman-Catholic-Church was very reluctant to allow recently converted nations to pray in their own local language - this was a problem as the faith spread across Europe and fewer and fewer people werer available to consecrate mass in Latin. But alas for many centuries only priests that spoke latin were allowed to talk to the Lord in heaven and I find something comforting in that thought… yes I’m sure if I were a peasant, which I would certainly be, I too would want my priest communicating with the lord in Latin, and not in English or German or Polish or French - bosch. To that end I would like to speak my prayers in Latin today?

Does anyone out there know of any good sites to get prayers in Latin? I go www.roman-catholic-prayers.com to get my daily recicitations - but they are in English. Sometimes I wonder if some of the older prayers listed here may perhaps have been converted from Latin in medieval times, in which case maybe a language conversion software application could be employed to reconvert them back to Latin? Any ideas?

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robe69 said:
I have read that the early Roman-Catholic-Church was very reluctant to allow recently converted nations to pray in their own local language - this was a problem as the faith spread across Europe and fewer and fewer people werer available to consecrate mass in Latin. But alas for many centuries only priests that spoke latin were allowed to talk to the Lord in heaven and I find something comforting in that thought… yes I’m sure if I were a peasant, which I would certainly be, I too would want my priest communicating with the lord in Latin, and not in English or German or Polish or French - bosch. To that end I would like to speak my prayers in Latin today?

Does anyone out there know of any good sites to get prayers in Latin? I go www.roman-catholic-prayers.com to get my daily recicitations - but they are in English. Sometimes I wonder if some of the older prayers listed here may perhaps have been converted from Latin in medieval times, in which case maybe a language conversion software application could be employed to reconvert them back to Latin? Any ideas?

robe69
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You LIKE the idea of ONLY priests being able to pray to God??? What are you on??
 
robe69 said:
I have read that the early Roman-Catholic-Church was very reluctant to allow recently converted nations to pray in their own local language - this was a problem as the faith spread across Europe and fewer and fewer people werer available to consecrate mass in Latin. But alas for many centuries only priests that spoke latin were allowed to talk to the Lord in heaven and I find something comforting in that thought… yes I’m sure if I were a peasant, which I would certainly be, I too would want my priest communicating with the lord in Latin, and not in English or German or Polish or French - bosch. To that end I would like to speak my prayers in Latin today?

Does anyone out there know of any good sites to get prayers in Latin? I go www.roman-catholic-prayers.com to get my daily recicitations - but they are in English. Sometimes I wonder if some of the older prayers listed here may perhaps have been converted from Latin in medieval times, in which case maybe a language conversion software application could be employed to reconvert them back to Latin? Any ideas?

robe69
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So would you want all 1.2 billion Catholics to have to learn Latin and be so fluent they can converse in Latin. That’s how good they would have to be to pray. Remember daily prayer does not just consist of set prayers that could be learned by heart in Latin. I also pray many spontaneous prayers during the day and that would require me to be conversationally fluent in a language!!
Or as Lily asked, don’t you want us to be able to pray to God?
 
thistle said:
So would you want all 1.2 billion Catholics to have to learn Latin and be so fluent they can converse in Latin. That’s how good they would have to be to pray.
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Do you also believe that actors actually become fluent in a language before they can recite their lines?
Remember daily prayer does not just consist of set prayers that could be learned by heart in Latin. I also pray many spontaneous prayers during the day and that would require me to be conversationally fluent in a language!!
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He was clearly not discussing such prayers. Try not to take his opinions out of context.

Jeremy
 
LilyM said:
You LIKE the idea of ONLY priests being able to pray to God??? What are you on??
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I’m pretty sure he said nothing of the sort. Don’t twist his words around: he just likes Latin prayers.

Jeremy
 
jemfinch said:
Do you also believe that actors actually become fluent in a language before they can recite their lines?

He was clearly not discussing such prayers. Try not to take his opinions out of context.

Jeremy
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You separated my comment into two. That is wrong. It is one comment about prayers other than fixed prayers that could be learned like actors!

As for the OP to say prayers sound better in Latin what kind of comment is that? That might be his opinion but it is not a fact. There is nothing magical or sacred about Latin.
 
thistle said:
As for the OP to say prayers sound better in Latin what kind of comment is that? That might be his opinion but it is not a fact.
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Yes, and anyone who’s received an elementary school level education can discern that without a great big warning sign saying it’s so. Allow him to express his opinion without jumping all over him for doing so.

Jeremy
 
jemfinch said:
Yes, and anyone who’s received an elementary school level education can discern that without a great big warning sign saying it’s so. Allow him to express his opinion without jumping all over him for doing so.

Jeremy
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Why are you so cranky? Get out of the wrong side of bed?
I am also allowed to express my opinions. Its a forum!!
 
robe69 said:
I too would want my priest communicating with the lord in Latin, and not in English or German or Polish or French - bosch. To that end I would like to speak my prayers in Latin today?
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Would you list all benefits of celebrating Mass in Latin instead of other languages?

While you may be able to pray in Latin, there are billions of people who cannot learn as fast as you do or cannot learn new language at all. What would people do during the Mass? How can they participate? or they just stand there and “watch” without knowing a clue what is going on?

If, we, as Catholics, believe in the communion of Saints, why can’t we think it is better to have all people participating in praying and worshiping during the Mass without any difficulty in speaking language.
 
thistle said:
Why are you so cranky?
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I’m not cranky at all.
Get out of the wrong side of bed?
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Nope.
I am also allowed to express my opinions. Its a forum!!
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By all means, hold your own opinions. But you can’t demand to hold your own opinions and then chastize another person for holding different ones. That’s just preposterous.

Jeremy
 
LilyM said:
You LIKE the idea of ONLY priests being able to pray to God??? What are you on??
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How very Charitable of you Lily.

I didn’t get that impression at all from what he wrote, take note of this part…
…I too would want my priest communicating with the lord in Latin, and not in English or German or Polish or French…
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robe69 said:
But alas for many centuries only priests that spoke latin were allowed to talk to the Lord in heaven and I find something comforting in that thought…

robe69
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I think that this is the part that they were refering to.

Robe 69,
If you want to learn latin, by all means, do it. I agree with you it is a beautiful language. If you want to go to a latin mass, see if there is a NO mass in latin in your diocese or try to find one by the Fraternal society of Saint Peter (I think that is the name)

A lone Raven
 
corvidae said:
If you want to learn latin, by all means, do it. I agree with you it is a beautiful language.
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Me too. I think all Catholics should learn enough to understand Catholic prayers in Latin, or at least the songs we sometimes sing in Latin. It’s akin to speaking English and not being able to read Shakespeare – you’re missing out on an important part of your heritage if you don’t know it. And, at least for that limited subset of Latin, it wouldn’t be hard to learn.
If you want to go to a latin mass, see if there is a NO mass in latin in your diocese or try to find one by the Fraternal society of Saint Peter (I think that is the name)
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I’m not sure Catholics can attend SSPX masses. But many dioceses have indult Tridentine masses that are entirely licit.

Jeremy

P.S. “Deer” sounds better in Latin as well, doesn’t it? 🙂
 
jemfinch said:
I’m not sure Catholics can attend SSPX masses. But many dioceses have indult Tridentine masses that are entirely licit.
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The Priestly Fraternity of St Peter (FSSP) is NOT SSPX. FSSP is in full communion with Rome, is approved by Rome and 100% licit. They are permitted to use the 1962 Missal. I don’t know about SSPX masses.
 
thistle said:
So would you want all 1.2 billion Catholics to have to learn Latin and be so fluent they can converse in Latin. That’s how good they would have to be to pray. Remember daily prayer does not just consist of set prayers that could be learned by heart in Latin. I also pray many spontaneous prayers during the day and that would require me to be conversationally fluent in a language!!
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Wow, what a great dream. I could go anywhere in the world and converse fluently with any Catholic I met. I would find people in all walks of life that I could connect to in any culture in the world. That would be fabulous, Why don’t we make that a requirement: We all must be able to speak, fluently, a common language. (Latin, Esperanto, English, Chinese).
 
jemfinch said:
Do you also believe that actors actually become fluent in a language before they can recite their lines?

He was clearly not discussing such prayers. Try not to take his opinions out of context.

Jeremy
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I would want anyone who prays in any language to have a thorough understanding of what they’re praying - not merely on the superficial level of an actor who learns lines to recite in a foreign language.

And I don’t see that it’s clear at all what sort of prayers the OP was discussing. All formal prayer, just the Mass, or all prayer?

After all, the Mass even in the NO form was first composed in Latin was it not? And even non-Latin fans such as myself know that translations of most every other formal prayer are very readily available in Latin on the internet.
 
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